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Old 10-14-2011, 12:15 AM
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Question Sunn 1200S Hyrbid on the fritz...

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I need some help guys, from you pros!

Right now I have an issue with my Sunn 1200S rackmount hybrid. Once I have it on for a few minutes it begins to crackle through the speakers and act strange, almost shifting between channels. I have tried different cabs, speaker/instrument cables, and bass guitars.

I did my research on the issue and some previous threads I found with people having the same issue stated it being the tubes or just too much heat. Others mentioned a design flaw and a way to resolve the issue with a heatsink kit.

My friend who builds tube amps is stumped; especially considering how complex it is under the hood. He tried another set of tubes, but the issue persisted.

What I'm asking about is if anyone could enlighten me on this heatsink kit for these Sunn/Bassman/Fender 1200S amps, as the threads that mentioned it didn't give much to run off of. I really don't want to take it to my local shop because they're way expensive and I'm not sure they're too experienced with these heads.

Any help would be great, thanks.
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Old 10-17-2011, 12:54 PM
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Old 10-17-2011, 03:02 PM
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So, can we assume your friend who builds tube amps has done the following?
  • Pulled the cover and blown the dust out
  • Cleaned the contacts on the effects return jack
  • Checked for loose/corroded connectors (spade, molex, etc.)
  • Checked for cold/separated solder joints
  • Checked for loose PCB/standoff mounting screws
  • Fan filter (if there is one) clean
  • Fan working
"On for a few minutes" isn't going to build up enough heat that an oversized heat sink would make a difference. And besides, the amp ran all those years with the heat sink it's got, right?

If a problem occurs only after an amp is warmed up, then oftentimes a tech will have to bench the amp under a heat lamp, because the cover is off. However, on an amp where airflow is tightly controlled, an amp can actually run hotter with its cover off because the tunnel's gone missing (unless the tunnel is a separate piece that can still be left in place during testing and the fan still has exclusive access to it, i.e. w/o air leaks and loss of pressure in the tunnel).

If it's none of the above, then you might have a component that's giving up the ghost. Pure guess here, but I suppose it's possible that the heat-removal scheme on this amp is insufficient, or someone ran the amp with a dead fan, with one or the other allowing the output transistors to fry or their thermal compound to harden and lose thermal conductivity. One serious overheat can change the characteristics of a power transistor, often resulting in its always going into thermal runaway, even at amp idle, but this is 100% conjecture on my part.

Anyway, I'd run that list above past your friend and see if he did all that. It's usually best to proceed in a logical & orderly fashion. It would be unfortunate to upgrade the heat sinks only to be faced with the same symptoms.

Nice amp, though. Good luck, hope you get it resolved.
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Old 10-17-2011, 07:10 PM
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There was a issue with the Sunn 1200s overheating, and the fix was more heatsinking and I believe Fender/Sunn addressed the issue when it first appeared, and it was covered under warranty under some instances, the later Bassman 1200 didn't have that issue
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does that amp only run at 1200watts 2ohms?

can it run at 4 or 8ohms?
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I run it at 8ohms
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There was a issue with the Sunn 1200s overheating, and the fix was more heatsinking and I believe Fender/Sunn addressed the issue when it first appeared, and it was covered under warranty under some instances, the later Bassman 1200 didn't have that issue


Might it be a good try to call and seek a repair since it's a design issue?
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not a tech dude but how many watts is that at 4 and 8 ohms?
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1200 W RMS at 2 Ohms, 800 W RMS at 4 Ohms, 550 W RMS at 8 Ohms
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What color is the board? If I remember the earlier ones with the heat issue were green and the redesign with improved cooling are red. I had a green one for years and never had an issue but I was always waiting for it to blow up.

Take it to a Fender certified tech and have them fix it. It became the Bassman 1200 Pro after they killed the Sunn brand (again)
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Old 10-18-2011, 09:05 AM
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This is a red board. How would I find a Fender certified tech?
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Old 05-02-2012, 06:44 AM
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FYI, the red ones are the ones with the overheating issue.
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It took two trips to a Fender authorized repair shop to fix the issues. All good now!
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