SVT4 PRO + 610, add a 15?

TimboSlice87 · #1 08-20-2011, 02:12 PM

So I've got the SVT4 PRO with the SVT610 cab. I cant get alot of volume out of it, without risking damaging the speakers. My buddy tells me I should add a 15. What do you think? If not, please say why.

WhoDidTheElf · #2 08-20-2011, 02:34 PM

You can't get a lot of volume out of a 6x10 and an SVT-4 Pro? What kind of volume are you talking about? That set up would seem fine almost any situation that wouldn't require PA back up.

Adding a 1x15 would be pointless and at worst cause even lower volume. That single 15 would end up being the limiting factor in the whole set up as it could probably only take 200 or so watts. Of course that's not considering phase issues that would most likely come from that set up.

Adding another SVT610 would be your best option.

spaz21387 · #3 08-20-2011, 02:38 PM

The svt 4 pro can handle 600 watts per channel at 2 ohms. meaning you can run 2 4 ohm cabs per channel.

JimmyM · #4 08-20-2011, 04:13 PM

Your buddy has no clue how speakers work. Adding a 115 to a 610 is absolutely pointless. Add a second 610 if you're serious.

waleross · #5 08-20-2011, 04:17 PM

My current set-up for my 4Pro is the 410HLF (Heritage) . At one time I had (2) reg. 410HLF's with my 4 PRO. I usually do not mix cabs. For me the 610 was not enough and of course the 810 is what it sounds best with. Now a 215 cab(Fender Pro eg.) would also work well. Its your call, good luck

RickenBoogie · #6 08-20-2011, 04:17 PM

+1 worst idea ever. 2x 610's would be massive, but I can't wrap my head around the 4Pro and 610hlf not being enough already. Maybe one or the other needs fixing.

TimboSlice87 · #7 08-20-2011, 07:21 PM

I played out with this amp for the first time last night and had some problems hearing myself, with the volume around 12oclock, gain 1 oclock. Between the stage monitors and my amp I didn't think I would have an issue. Im thinking the 810 would be a better match for the 4pro. It's not much louder than my Gallien Krueger MB212 combo. Of course the tone is not the same...

Blues Bass 2 · #8 08-20-2011, 07:41 PM

Try changing your EQ up if you can't hear yourself . Boost some mids and cut a little low end till you can hear , that should let you turn up a little more .

bassguppy · #9 08-20-2011, 08:52 PM

the 610HLF is not enough....

Either get another 610 which would be overkill in 90% of gig situations, or sell your 610 & get an 810 or 2 x 410's. No to the 15".

Or tell everyone else to turn down as that 610 with an SVT4PRO should handle any small/medium and most large gigs.

carl h. · #10 08-20-2011, 09:02 PM

SPL meter?

joeydavidson · #11 08-20-2011, 09:48 PM

Get a 8x10, they can be found cheap used, I think it's because they're generally more commen than a 6x10.

When I had my 6x10hlf & my sealed 8x10 I did a a/b test and the 8x10 was considerably louder.

JimmyM · #12 08-20-2011, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by joeydavidson

Get a 8x10, they can be found cheap used, I think it's because they're generally more commen than a 6x10.

When I had my 6x10hlf & my sealed 8x10 I did a a/b test and the 8x10 was considerably louder.

As it should be...the 610hlf goes lower and has 2 fewer speakers.

Stumbo · #13 08-20-2011, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by TimboSlice87

I played out with this amp for the first time last night and had some problems hearing myself, with the volume around 12oclock, gain 1 oclock. Between the stage monitors and my amp I didn't think I would have an issue. Im thinking the 810 would be a better match for the 4pro. It's not much louder than my Gallien Krueger MB212 combo. Of course the tone is not the same...

Try tilting your cab back or putting it on a stand. Get those tens to ear level.

Also, even though you can't hear yourself that well, how's it sound FOH? Have you tried listening to it from out front? Bet it's plenty loud to the audience.

Two stacked vertical 2x12's would probably do it for you. Better dispersion and on stage volume.

bassfreakah · #14 08-20-2011, 10:03 PM

dont scoop the mids!!!!!! try to run your eq flat. you will get a lot more volume.

countrybassist · #15 08-21-2011, 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by TimboSlice87

My buddy tells me I should add a 15. What do you think? If not, please say why.

Your buddy has no idea what he's talking about. You may have phase issues by mixing different driver sizes.

staindbass · #16 08-21-2011, 08:20 AM

did u ask your buddy why he believes a 1x15 would work ? if its not loud enough, double your speakers, double your fun.

prd004 · #17 08-21-2011, 08:22 AM

If you can't hear yourself with that rig you are either:

A Deaf
B EQing it poorly
C Your guitarists have dialed in huge bottom end invading your sonic space

Session1969 · #18 08-21-2011, 08:40 AM

[quote=Blues Bass 2;11365401]Try changing your EQ up if you can't hear yourself . Boost some mids and cut a little low end till you can hear , that should let you turn up a little more .[/QUOTE

+1, How do you have your eq set now ? Do you rehearse at a reasonable level ?

klejst · #19 08-21-2011, 08:45 AM

I have to agree, the SVT with the 6x10 should be a lot louder than you have mentioned, unless there is something wrong with one or the other or both. Granted it is a different brand, however my Mesa PH6x10 is super loud when paired with my Peavey Tour 450 when it is barely turned up a quarter of the volume. I actually can drown out both of my guitar players if I go up any higher in volume than that. Also I can totally blow away the other bassist who practices at our space as well and he is playing an 8x10. I have never heard of someone adding a 1x15 to a 6x10, another 2x10 perhaps...but to each their own. I am happy with my 6's.

pablomigraine · #20 08-21-2011, 08:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TimboSlice87

So I've got the SVT4 PRO with the SVT610 cab. I cant get alot of volume out of it, without risking damaging the speakers. My buddy tells me I should add a 15. What do you think? If not, please say why.

You're doing it wrong

Quote:

Originally Posted by JimmyM

Your buddy has no clue how speakers work. Adding a 115 to a 610 is absolutely pointless. Add a second 610 if you're serious.

I guess I can get behind this.... but you're now talking about more onstage rig than most touring metal bands playing in 5000+ person arenas......

Quote:

Originally Posted by prd004

If you can't hear yourself with that rig you are either:

A Deaf
B EQing it poorly
C Your guitarists have dialed in huge bottom end invading your sonic space

1+

Gaurantee the EQ on that SVT 4pro is scooped waaaaay out with all the midrange cut out and just the very lowest bass and the very highest treble maxed out. This has two effects:

1) Sounds kinda cool and "brutal" on its own... will get completely lost in a mix no matter how many watts / speakers you have. Believe me I know.... read some of my threads on the topic...

2) sucks up all the amplifier's power just trying to reproduce the lowest 5% of the frequency range... which the 610, while still a great cabinet, does not really extend down to, so the power is getting wasted & you're risking long-term damage to the cones

And the 4pro is probably not being routed correctly and only running one side of the stereo power amps.... check to make sure it's being run in bridge / mono mode.

If the mids are all being scooped out... you can get yourself a dozen 610's and you'll still only hear a slight rumble underneath everything else.