svt410hlf vs svt610hlf??

[bichibreaker]

I play 4 stringed jazz bass and a svt4pro. I can't decide between those two cabs.

The 4x10 is smaller.
but the 6x10 has power handling.

Is the low frecuency (28hz) usefull ina 4 string bass??

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[Wes Whitmore]

It's more than just lower Hz. It is voiced with less midrange detail than some other cabs (GK Neo212 for example). Some people like that, some don't. Volume isn't an issue for me. It's super loud for it's size, and I end up turning it down because of stage bleed through the PA. This is with a GK RB400III head. You are just going to have to take your bass and amp there and try it out.

[Buster Brown]

Originally Posted by Wes Whitmore

It's more than just lower Hz. It is voiced with less midrange detail than some other cabs (GK Neo212 for example). Some people like that, some don't. Volume isn't an issue for me. It's super loud for it's size, and I end up turning it down because of stage bleed through the PA. This is with a GK RB400III head. You are just going to have to take your bass and amp there and try it out.

I tend to agree....I own the 6X10 and I have to say that, at least for me, the MAJOR difference between the two is simply that the 6X10 (IMO) is MUCH easier to move than the 4X10...the smaller cab just seems too awkward to schlep around.

Cheers!

[bichibreaker]

is the 6x10 easier to move than the 4x10? I belive you are talking about movinng it from one place to another on wheels ....but to put it ina car??

[Wes Whitmore]

410 = Dimensions (W x H x D inches): 24 x 30 x 19, 85 pounds
610 = Dimensions (W x H x D inches): 24 x 40 x 16, 110 pounds

3" deeper make it even more of a bear to carry because its so deep and a struggle to get your arms around, but 85 pounds is about as much as I want to bearhug for any period of time anyhow. I still see the 410 carried in the front seats of cars. the 10" height of the 610 makes it easier to wheel around, but I don't find it hard to wheel around the 410. Both are hard to carry up/down stairs alone. Anytime you aren't on the wheels of either cab, you know it's heavy. I use an SUV for the 410, so it's easy for me to unload in car.

[thudfromafar]

Nice music,

for your bass tone you don't need to go very deep at all -- your sound is much more mids and low mids. also, 28hz is actually way below the fundamental of your lowest (E) string, which is 41hz.

[Buster Brown]

For some time, I was carting the 6X10 around in a PT Cruiser...fit just fine in the back.

Yes, it is a little heavier than the 4X10...but nothing a strapping young lad would have a problem with....hell, I'm approaching 60 and never had a problem with it.

But again, it's all about what works for you!


Cheers!

[TXLawDawg]

610, despite it's weight difference, will be easier to move. Been down the heavy 410 route before and I'd much rather move my 810. You'll be able to hear the 610 better as well because of the height.

[paganjack]

No one has really mentioned that the two cabs actually sound different. Partly because of the depth of the cab, the 410hlf actually has more low end extension. The cab sounds really really deep. I had the 610hlf for a good while, and it's tone is more low-mid centric. It actually has more in common tonally (IMO) with the 810 than the 410hlf. Now as to whether or not you NEED that -10dB @ 28Hz, that is entirely up to you.

Both have a naturally scooped midrange to my ears, which again, some people love and others dislike. I like a LOT of note detail so I don't really miss my 610hlf. BTW, I schlepped the 610hlf alone up and down more stairs than I would like to count. It's doable but not my favorite thing to do at 3:30 am after a long gig and lots of driving.

[JayAmel]

About the -10dB @ 28Hz : these are spreadsheet specs. Your ears will make you hear that in a real situation, all of these cabs (SVT410HLF, SVT610HLF, SVT810E) will perfectly handle anything all the way down to the low-B. Don't stick on specs.

[joeydavidson]

The 610 is a breeze to transport, the easiest I've transported, I had a Mesa 410 before it, and have a 810, I've never actually lifted it up stairs without help though, the skids on the back come in handy.

the 610 has more in commen with the 810, except it's ported so not as tight on the low strings and no low end roll-off so if you pump too much bass into it at very high volumes it will let you know.

[Buster Brown]

Originally Posted by joeydavidson

The 610 is a breeze to transport, the easiest I've transported, I had a Mesa 410 before it, and have a 810, I've never actually lifted it up stairs without help though, the skids on the back come in handy.

the 610 has more in commen with the 810, except it's ported so not as tight on the low strings and no low end roll-off so if you pump too much bass into it at very high volumes it will let you know.

Yep...I agree. I never had a problem transporting the 6X10 or the 8X10...they just seem to lend themselves to easier transport (IMO). Now, that's not to imply that the 4X10 is a bad choice. Not saying that in the least. However, I have, on occasion, helped a buddy of mine in another band load out and his 4X10 just seemed a little ackward to move. I mean I had to nearly bend over to "comfortably" manuever it around. But that's me...I'm a little on the tall side (6'3")...so maybe that was the problem?

[bassguppy]

I formerly had a Berg NV610 which was 100lbs and 36x24x15 so sorta similar to the Ampeg 610HLF.

Lifting into the back seat of a 4-door sedan was not very difficult. Just stand to the side of the cab, tip towards you, grab the handle and use your knee to help lift in the air. Since it's narrower than many 410's it's easier to guide the butt (bottom) end into the rear seat. It's all physics.

Someone with a bad back should not attempt though. My back is so-so and I had no problems.

[codeinedreams]

I picked the 610 because it's the biggest cab that will fit into the back seat of my car. I think it sounds better than the 410 - more depth, highs and lows are very distinct and separated

[georgestrings]

Originally Posted by codeinedreams

I picked the 610 because it's the biggest cab that will fit into the back seat of my car. I think it sounds better than the 410 - more depth, highs and lows are very distinct and separated

I don't know what you're hearing, because you're the only person I've ever heard say that the SVT-610HLF has more "depth" than the SVT-410HLF... I've had both, and the 410 definitely sounds way deeper than the 610...



- georgestrings

[blackba]

Are you guys moving these 410, 610, and 810 cabs by yourselves?

I do find the SVT410HLF a bit tough to move. It doesn't seem that well balanced when 2 people are lifting it, it wants to lean forward.

I have not tried to move the SVT410HLF upstairs by myself or out of the truck. I supposed I could, but I didn't want to damage the cab and my back is not the best in the world. I picked up a 210 that I can move myself if I don't have help.

[megadan]

Originally Posted by georgestrings

I don't know what you're hearing, because you're the only person I've ever heard say that the SVT-610HLF has more "depth" than the SVT-410HLF... I've had both, and the 410 definitely sounds way deeper than the 610...



- georgestrings

The 410HLF might go lower, but I think he meant depth as in '3D' quality, not lower pitches.


The 610 is a great cab and I used it for years as my main gigging rig until I got an NV610. I agree that that 610 is pretty easy to move, and it fits in the back seat of my Toyota.

Having two extra speakers up closer to your ears is also a big help on medium sized stages.

[Buster Brown]

Originally Posted by blackba

Are you guys moving these 410, 610, and 810 cabs by yourselves?

I do find the SVT410HLF a bit tough to move. It doesn't seem that well balanced when 2 people are lifting it, it wants to lean forward.

I have not tried to move the SVT410HLF upstairs by myself or out of the truck. I supposed I could, but I didn't want to damage the cab and my back is not the best in the world. I picked up a 210 that I can move myself if I don't have help.

Yep. I don't normally cart both the 6X10 and the 8X10 together, but I have no trouble whatsosver moving either around. Now, let's be clear here...if I had to go up 2 flights of stairs I would need a little help, but just to move the 8X10 outdoors and into the van, it's no big deal..I have moved it downstairs many, many times with no help and again...I'm pretty ancient..

[megadan]

I can get the 6x10s out of my car and wheel them somewhere on my own, sure.

Steps, yeah, that's a different issue. It's not really a concern when you're in a gigging band, because you've gotta help carry the 4x12 cabs, the drums, etc. It's standard practice for two dudes to haul the bass cab in.

[bassguppy]

Originally Posted by megadan

because you've gotta help carry.....the drums, etc.

Help my overplaying drummer????