TC Electronic BG250 Club - Page 38

stepswork4me · #**741** 01-14-2013, 11:07 AM

Oh yeah,

My Corona arrived today. It took about three weeks, but I only live about an hour and a half from the distribution center.

dominic54321 · #**742** 01-14-2013, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by stepswork4me

I honestly don't think they should be pushed out of rating the way they do. Many musicians use the wattage rating to guage volume range. I know BG-250 blows everything else that I've tried in the 200-300 watt range out of the water, volume wise.

+1

puff father · #**743** 01-14-2013, 01:28 PM

Mine just arrived a few minutes ago. I don't see anything in the literature or on the amp about a software update. How can I tell if the amp needs an update or did they ship it already updated?

stepswork4me · #**744** 01-14-2013, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by puff father

Mine just arrived a few minutes ago. I don't see anything in the literature or on the amp about a software update. How can I tell if the amp needs an update or did they ship it already updated?

My second one was already updated. All you need to do to find out is attempt changing the toneprint to something vastly different from the preloaded chorus.

ErnieD · #**745** 01-14-2013, 03:05 PM

I just updated my BG250 but trying to load SpectraComp not happening.

I get a silver banner showing 0% / device not connected / A-B

Help button is no help. Tried different USB cable, didnt help. Does not seem to want to complete the process?? Am I missing something?

Oh yeah, trying this from PC to amp. Stupid-Smart Phone's been acting up so prefer to use PC for now.

stepswork4me · #**746** 01-14-2013, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by ErnieD

I just updated my BG250 but trying to load SpectraComp not happening.

I get a silver banner showing 0% / device not connected / A-B

Help button is no help. Tried different USB cable, didnt help. Does not seem to want to complete the process?? Am I missing something?

Hmmmm.... not sure.... Try your phone yet?

puff father · #**747** 01-14-2013, 04:23 PM

Must be updated already. Went from chorus to octaver to warbly bizarre sound to compressor without any problem. I get to try it out at practice tonight. So far, so good.

ErnieD · #**748** 01-14-2013, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by stepswork4me

Hmmmm.... not sure.... Try your phone yet?

Had to drop data plan from my cell ph recently. About to order new ph but don't wanna wait. I went back and registered my combo thinking it needed that, didn't help.

It seems to have done the update fine. I even tried a couple other Toneprint effects but they don't load either. I'll do some more searches here and I see TC-E has support, have not looked there yet. When any update/load process is completed will the amp flash any lites? Or will the screen just prompt you effects loaded?

Anyone think of anything to try, pls reply in this thread or PM me. Peace,e.

puff father · #**749** 01-14-2013, 06:22 PM

Tbe toneprint light should blink. Is yout toneprint active when you try loading?

BassMorpheus · #**750** 01-14-2013, 07:51 PM

http://www.tcelectronic.com/support/software/

This is the link to TC Electronics for BG20 firmware update process.

puff father · #**751** 01-14-2013, 08:17 PM

Well the amp kicked butt at practice tonight. Really small room but we were pretty loud and it's tone punched through nicely. Used spectracomp and probably will use it a lot of the time. A few of the toneprints wouldn't load and the fax-like sound is kind of goofy. But it wouldn't be noticed in a loud room. And it's a pretty cool gadget to be sure. I'm very pleased with the BG250 and looking forward to practicing and even playing gigs with it. It is far from replacing my regular rig but that's not why I got it anyway.

ErnieD · #**752** 01-14-2013, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by puff father

Tbe toneprint light should blink. Is yout toneprint active when you try loading?

Well, I'm following the steps of holding mute button while powering up combo while USB wire is connected . The TP on button on amp does nothing when pressed in this mode while connected to my PC. Should it come on when pressed?

Now, I did see a different sequence at one attempt when I clicked on the Spectracomp icon in the TC-E page. But it shows Run/Save file, then I click Run. After it seems to download the file is when I see that silver banner with 0% loading and Device Not Connected button. I'll keep trying it.

ErnieD · #**753** 01-15-2013, 04:27 AM

not sure what I did exactly...but I got SpectraComp installed onto BG250.

I tried abuncha different sequences and it took. Wish I could remember which one worked for me.

At least I know there's no issue with my combo. I'll go back later on and try to load other effects just to see if I can do the correct steps to completion.

Looking forward to trying it with Ph App down the road soon when replaced current Stupid-Smart Phone. Grrrr...

puff father · #**754** 01-15-2013, 05:52 AM

Your persistence paid off in the end. Yay!

mystic38 · #**755** 01-15-2013, 06:04 AM

No, they should ..for one simple reason.. a Watt is a defined term.. If an amp cannot produce 450W into 8 or 4 ohm its not a 450W amp.. period. The TC 450W amp has been tested to be 225W.. so the advertisement (and pricing) relative to a 400-500W amp is kinda fraudulent. its fair for TC to say "the loudest 225W you will hear" or other garbage..but its not fair (and definitely fraudulent) to make a statement that an amp will produce something it wont...

Musicians know, or need to know the impact on stage volume of both speaker efficiency and amp technology and so everyone is aware that a valve amp punches far above its weight..solely due to the way it handles distortion, but i dont see Fender advertising the 15W Blues Junior as 80W..

you need a solid benchmark (Watts RMS into 8R) for amp rating to make a comparison...Personally, I see it as a slippery slope that leaves the musician in the dust if companies are allowed to make misleading statements about performance...

I am well aware that the BG250 is not designed to run another speaker.. i was replying to an earlier post indicating it needed a speaker out, and in my engineering viewpoint i very seriously doubt that an envelope skating amp design like the BG could run another speaker...
you can run any powered speaker from the DI, but why bother, tis cheaper and would sound far better to have 2 bg250

but then, if you are gonna be really playing on stage a lot, imo you need something way more rugged than the BG250..

Quote:

Originally Posted by stepswork4me

I honestly don't think they should be pushed out of rating the way they do. Many musicians use the wattage rating to guage volume range. I know BG-250 blows everything else that I've tried in the 200-300 watt range out of the water, volume wise. As I've mentioned before it's louder than the GB 400 Neox combo that I used to own. It serves as to what to compare and contrast against.

It's not designed to push another cab and isn't adverstised to do so. With that said, I still wonder if ANY powered cab would work with it?

stepswork4me · #**756** 01-15-2013, 06:15 AM

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Originally Posted by mystic38

No, they should ..for one simple reason.. a Watt is a defined term.. If an amp cannot produce 450W into 8 or 4 ohm its not a 450W amp.. period. The TC 450W amp has been tested to be 225W.. so the advertisement (and pricing) relative to a 400-500W amp is kinda fraudulent. its fair for TC to say "the loudest 225W you will hear" or other garbage..but its not fair (and definitely fraudulent) to make a statement that an amp will produce something it wont...

Musicians know, or need to know the impact on stage volume of both speaker efficiency and amp technology and so everyone is aware that a valve amp punches far above its weight..solely due to the way it handles distortion, but i dont see Fender advertising the 15W Blues Junior as 80W..

you need a solid benchmark (Watts RMS into 8R) for amp rating to make a comparison...Personally, I see it as a slippery slope that leaves the musician in the dust if companies are allowed to make misleading statements about performance...

I am well aware that the BG250 is not designed to run another speaker.. i was replying to an earlier post indicating it needed a speaker out, and in my engineering viewpoint i very seriously doubt that an envelope skating amp design like the BG could run another speaker...
you can run any powered speaker from the DI, but why bother, tis cheaper and would sound far better to have 2 bg250

but then, if you are gonna be really playing on stage a lot, imo you need something way more rugged than the BG250..

I see where youre coming from. I still think there needs to be a better way of rating volume.

mystic38 · #**757** 01-15-2013, 07:05 AM

Just pulled the BG250 apart to put some neoprene tape around the panel to stop some serious buzzing at volume..

so here is a pic of the insides..

FYI, the speaker measures 2.9 Ohm and there is no fan

If anyone blows the cabinet, it would be an easy mod to move the power socket and switch to give yourself the BG250 head.

any questions you better be quick..its going back together in a couple of hours!..lol

Aeko · #**758** 01-15-2013, 08:08 AM

I read somewhere in the TC-E website that the speaker was 4 ohm ..

Can you see if there is any easy way to disconnect the twitter ?

I thought the amp was a close case.

Thanks for the picture !!

drpepper · #**759** 01-15-2013, 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Aeko

I read somewhere in the TC-E website that the speaker was 4 ohm ..

Can you see if there is any easy way to disconnect the twitter ?

I thought the amp was a close case.

Thanks for the picture !!

4, 8, etc. are nominal ratings. A given speaker labeled "4 ohms" can be anywhere along a range from 2.X to 5.X (the X being left up to the "labeler"). No idea what the typical variation is, but I'd guess that speakers that come out at exactly their nominal rating are probably the exception.

This is part of the reason that, while RH heads are rated for for 4 ohms, TCE says you can safely use three 8 ohm RS cabinets. This is because the cabinets are actually something like 10.6 ohms. Three do not take the load into a dangerous range, where three nominal 8 ohm cabinets that measure at 7.2 ohm would.

mystic38 · #**760** 01-15-2013, 09:19 AM

the amp is an open cage, another time i may put shielding on the cabinet to improve hum rejection

no, the tweeter/woofer connections are inside the cabinet... If exposed i would have been tempted to put a tweeter defeat switch in, but i can't be hacked to take the woofer out to do this...

well, in saying that, lol...I may take the woofer out at some point to see if there is clearance to put in side handles..something this unit needs due to its height.

fyi...A speaker rating is not resistance, its the nominal impedance (impedance is resistance at a given frequency).. .. so across the spread of working frequency that is the impedance that the crossover is matched to.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aeko

I read somewhere in the TC-E website that the speaker was 4 ohm ..

Can you see if there is any easy way to disconnect the twitter ?

I thought the amp was a close case.

Thanks for the picture !!