TC Electronic - which cab?

**peledog** · #1 07-07-2011, 02:17 PM

I posted at the end of the gargantuan TC Electronic Review Thread, but I thought I'd create a new one for my situation.

I need some advice on a few things.

1) RH450 - does it sound better at 300w going into an 8ohm cab (2x10 or 1x15) or 450w going into a 4 ohm cab?

2) Other than the impedance, what's the major difference, sound-wise, between the RS and the BC cabs?

3) If your budget for a cab was under $500 for a new one, which one would you go with, keeping in mind that weight is a HUGE factor for me? I go direct to the PA and use the cab mainly as a monitor, but I also have an extra monitor for the drums (drummer uses V-Drums) and vox. So, with all that taken into consideration - which cab to go for in conjuction with the RH450?

a) TC Electronic BC212 Bass Cabinet (250 Watts, 2x12 in.)
b) TC Electronic BC210 2x10
c) TC Electronic RS210 2x10
d) Gallien-Krueger 115MBE 1x15
e) Gallien-Krueger 212MBE 600W 2x12

I found a great deal for the RH450 brand new - and also found a great deal on a TC BC212 (haven't purchased yet, pending your comments).

Thanks in advance for your input.

Musicman20 · #2 07-08-2011, 02:06 AM

I would definitely vote for an RS210/RS212.

More money, but the RS cabs are a fairly big step up from the BC cabs.

The RS210 is a very very good 2x10, not even factoring in the fact its a good price.

LM Bass · #3 07-08-2011, 02:09 AM

I compared the 212 and 210 cabs, and for me the difference was night-and-day. The 212 has great low-end support and sounds really full. For me the 210 was much thinner, and not as appealing.

bassclef04 · #4 07-08-2011, 06:36 AM

would you say a RS210 on top of a RS212 make a great combo?

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Originally Posted by LM Bass

I compared the 212 and 210 cabs, and for me the difference was night-and-day. The 212 has great low-end support and sounds really full. For me the 210 was much thinner, and not as appealing.

**peledog** · #5 07-08-2011, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Musicman20

I would definitely vote for an RS210/RS212.

More money, but the RS cabs are a fairly big step up from the BC cabs.

The RS210 is a very very good 2x10, not even factoring in the fact its a good price.

I'm seriously considering an RS210. Factors include weight, impedance and...well, it's TC Electronic.

Do you know of anyone who's tried the BC210? My gut tells me that 250w at 8ohms is not going to be enough. The RS210 can handle 400w at 4 ohms - better headroom = better clarity?

**peledog** · #6 07-08-2011, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by LM Bass

I compared the 212 and 210 cabs, and for me the difference was night-and-day. The 212 has great low-end support and sounds really full. For me the 210 was much thinner, and not as appealing.

I've been debating between the 210 and the 212. The thing is, I will mainly be using the cab as a monitor - I'm going direct through the PA and have an additional monitor - so, other than the way it sounds, I don't really need to project my volume/sound. I could, at a late date, add the 212. Basically, I have to turn all my mids up so I can hear myself on stage.

Do you use your cab without PA support?

stflbn · #7 07-08-2011, 01:07 PM

The RS212 is quite a bit smoother and deeper than the RS210. But I in no way would call the RS210 low end lacking or weak. It's just more punchy than the RS212. I prefer a single RS210 for most of the smaller bar type gigs, and 2 RS210's stacked vertically for larger gigs.

IMHO.

You will not hear a big difference in volume between 4ohm and 8ohm in a single cabinet. You'll hear a big difference between one RS210 (8ohm) and 2 rs210's (4ohm) due to the doubling of speaker cones... not becuase of the ohm change.

**peledog** · #8 07-08-2011, 04:15 PM

I also like the sound of 4 10s. For some gigs, I use my GK 115 - but it really gets too boomy. Ever since I started going through the PA, I've had issues with a good onstage monitor sound through my Carvin 210. I've read a lot of threads and did some research about which mid EQs to boost - and for the most part, it's been ok. The practical aspect is that the GK cab is too heavy (I drive a Sentra) and having the head separate from the cab is something I think would be a lot better for my setup.

The RS210 is about 35lbs, I think? A lot more practical for me. I thought the RS210 were 4ohms? Anyway, I think I understand what you're saying about the ohms, I was wondering if the RH450 sounded different depending on the ohms of the cab - whether it's 4 or 8 ohms - and the RH450 would put out different watts according to impedance.

If, for instance, the RS210 came in 4 and 8 ohms - then there really wouldn't be any sound difference when using the RH450, correct? I guess, my question is really geared towards the difference in sound between the BC210 and the RS210, and, if the watts the RH450 puts out would affect the sound.

I'm starting to confuse myself. LOL

Boostedrex · #9 07-08-2011, 04:42 PM

More power or less power doesn't change the sound at all. It's simply a difference in amplitude (volume).

Steve Clark · #10 07-08-2011, 06:43 PM

I have a 212 and 2 112. Most of my work involves the single 112. I chose the 212 over the 210 after sitting at Club Bass in Toronto and having Dave switch the cabs around without me looking. That was a couple of years ago now. But as Laurence LMBass said earlier to my ears the 212 had more of what I was looking for.

pilmat · #11 07-08-2011, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve Clark

I have a 212 and 2 112. Most of my work involves the single 112. I chose the 212 over the 210 after sitting at Club Bass in Toronto and having Dave switch the cabs around without me looking. That was a couple of years ago now. But as Laurence LMBass said earlier to my ears the 212 had more of what I was looking for.

Did you audition any Bergs while you were at Club Bass? I Just got his last AE112 to go with a RH750.

jkramer5 · #12 07-08-2011, 07:57 PM

I use an RS210 and an RS112 with an RH450, soooo... I'm partial to the RS210 and RS112 lol. I donno what you'd like.
The RS210 is 8 Ohm btw.

My RH450 doesn't sound different running at 4 Ohms, just louder at the same output setting depending on a 4 or 8 ohm load.

Steve Clark · #13 07-08-2011, 08:01 PM

I have used everything. EA, Epifani, Bergantino, Markbass. They are all good in their own way.

Didn't try the Bergantino that day. At one time I had the original Bergantino 210 and 115. Those together with the EA iAMP800 could demolish buildings but just ended being too heavy for me to move. That said the 212 is a little awkward for me to move.

Didn't want to risk liking the current generation of Bergs that day since I was really wanting to like tc. I think I have a mild OCD thing about amp matching the cabs. I'm sure you'll be very happy with Bergantino and the 750. I'm tempted to get a 750 as well. Sold everything I had after I got the tc. Be nice to have a back up tc.

S.

Munjibunga · #14 07-08-2011, 08:02 PM

To my ear, the RH series likes 10s. My RH750 sounds best through the Bergantino AE410.

**peledog** · #15 07-09-2011, 06:14 PM

Very cool. Well, methinks I have an RS210 on the way - so we'll see how that 'stacks up'.

And yes, the specs provided both at the TC site and on major sites like musiciansfriend.com is lacking, in that it does not show the ohms for the RS210. Which led me to believe, it's 4ohms.

But, since it is 8ohms, then the power output goes down somewhat- for the RH450, despite the fact that the RS210 is listed at 400w. Just wondering if the RH450 is too much for the BC210 then?