TecAmp amplification club.....is there such a thing yet

[Virgil]

Originally Posted by Randyt

Schwing!!...I just got a semi!!!!LOL

Nice rig!!...by chance...can a Puma 900 handle two M212??

The black Jag 900 can handle 4, 4ohm M212's.

[monsterthompson]

Originally Posted by Virgil

The black Jag 900 can handle 4, 4ohm M212's.

awesome head is awesome.

[J.Wolf]

o how I wish the Puma was 2ohm stable.. I've been wanting to use it on gigs that i run the m212 and 2x VL110's. Currently i use my rack rig (HBP-1>QSC) which works well, but the puma is definitely my tone..

[Scott McArron]

Originally Posted by pushifier

Tecamp blackcat and two M212. Nothing can beat this or comes even near it in sound and quality

That's the Blackcat version of the rig I want to put together. Nothing a couple 8ohm M212s can't handle!!!!

[pushifier]

Yes it the Black Cat amp. It is great pure amp, what you feed it is what your getting in the biggest way ;-)
I have got two 4ohm m212 each and can handle 600w given 500w from the Blackcat (1000w 2 channel or bridge mode). The projection of these m212 is really great, like your in the sound.
But I am also looking for a L215 and selling one M212. I wonder how that wil sound

[Randyt]

Originally Posted by pushifier

Yes it the Black Cat amp. It is great pure amp, what you feed it is what your getting in the biggest way ;-)
I have got two 4ohm m212 each and can handle 600w given 500w from the Blackcat (1000w 2 channel or bridge mode). The projection of these m212 is really great, like your in the sound.
But I am also looking for a L215 and selling one M212. I wonder how that wil sound

Pushifier....I would love to hear your reviews of the L215 when... or... if you have tried it already....I too am, very interested in the L215...but unable to test drive one!

let us know!

thanks

[pushifier]

I haven't had the chance to testdrive a L215. I did test the L115 and that one sounded great.
Other option I am thinking about is to sell my two M212 and get that Raptor speaker cab. (1x15,1x12,2x10= 1200w)

[Robin Ruscio]

Originally Posted by KJung

If you are using relatively small, relatively efficient cabs, +1, you won't notice a difference. Tonally, identical into the typical 2 x 112 at 4ohms or 410. However, if you are pushing a large 8ohm cab, or a very large 4 ohm rig at high volumes (like 2 x 212 or whatever), that extra oomph can make a pretty bid difference in handling peaks, etc.

+1 though, for the vast majority of players, the Puma500 is the thing!

I have gone back and forth on the 500 vs the 900 a few times.

I was going to run a Puma with a relatively small Epifani 3x10 @4 ohms, handles 750 watts. I also play relatively polite music (jazz, latin, funk, country, rnb, motown- no metal or hard rock) and have never had to crank my current 600 watt Epi 902 more than a few times in 7 years, and even then I don't think it was close to maxed out.

I'm thinking that even though the 900 is only about $300 more, I'm going to be fine with the 500. Is that pretty much the consensus?

I would be ready to buy- was waiting till the new year for tax reasons- but I still need to part with one of my Foderas.

[monsterthompson]

Is there an easy summary of the three different classes of TecAmp cabs? It looks like there are light, medium, and heavy ones. Are there other characteristics (tonal ones, features, wattage handling) for each of the major product lines? I'd like to see a feature grid, if one existed.

[KJung]

Originally Posted by Robin Ruscio

I have gone back and forth on the 500 vs the 900 a few times.

I was going to run a Puma with a relatively small Epifani 3x10 @4 ohms, handles 750 watts. I also play relatively polite music (jazz, latin, funk, country, rnb, motown- no metal or hard rock) and have never had to crank my current 600 watt Epi 902 more than a few times in 7 years, and even then I don't think it was close to maxed out.

I'm thinking that even though the 900 is only about $300 more, I'm going to be fine with the 500. Is that pretty much the consensus?

I would be ready to buy- was waiting till the new year for tax reasons- but I still need to part with one of my Foderas.

The 500 should drive the 301UL nicely. I gigged that cab for quite a few years (owned all four versions.... the first two ceramic models... shallow and deep, and then the later UL and UL2... moved away from Epi prior to the UL3 coming out). That was the best 'bang for size and weight' cab for many years, even before the neo's came out.

That being said, at 5.3 ohms, the Puma900 would put out roughly 800 watts, and I've found that the 310UL can actually use that extra few hundred watts of power versus the 500. If you slap a bit or whatever, you would probably notice a bit wider, more open low end, and a touch more maximum volume that would feel a bit more like your 902, which had a big, open low end. Whether that is worth the extra cash only you can decide!

You will find the EQ on either Puma much more powerful than the 902, and the midrange will speak much more clearly IMO and IME.

[Robin Ruscio]

Originally Posted by KJung

The 500 should drive the 301UL nicely. I gigged that cab for quite a few years (owned all four versions.... the first two ceramic models... shallow and deep, and then the later UL and UL2... moved away from Epi prior to the UL3 coming out). That was the best 'bang for size and weight' cab for many years, even before the neo's came out.

That being said, at 5.3 ohms, the Puma900 would put out roughly 800 watts, and I've found that the 310UL can actually use that extra few hundred watts of power versus the 500. If you slap a bit or whatever, you would probably notice a bit wider, more open low end, and a touch more maximum volume that would feel a bit more like your 902, which had a big, open low end. Whether that is worth the extra cash only you can decide!

You will find the EQ on either Puma much more powerful than the 902, and the midrange will speak much more clearly IMO and IME.

That was really helpful! Maybe I will just spring for the 900.

In the big scheme of my gear arsenal that's not a lot of money if the result will be tangible.

[KJung]

Originally Posted by monsterthompson

Is there an easy summary of the three different classes of TecAmp cabs? It looks like there are light, medium, and heavy ones. Are there other characteristics (tonal ones, features, wattage handling) for each of the major product lines? I'd like to see a feature grid, if one existed.

I might be behind the times (since TecAmp changes things up quite a bit, and I guess are now moving away from the neo cabs). If you are talking about XS, S, M, and L, they are just different cab sized and tuning, with the S, M and L using the same drivers and switchable crossover, and the XS using the same drivers with a non-switchable crossover.

To further complicate things, some of the combo's have mid driver loaded cabs versus tweeter loaded cabs.

[KJung]

Originally Posted by Robin Ruscio

That was really helpful! Maybe I will just spring for the 900.

In the big scheme of my gear arsenal that's not a lot of money if the result will be tangible.

+1 There is literally no downside except for the cost. Same size, same tone, more power, and the 310UL can actually use that additional power. Of course, you have to be a bit careful if you crank that head to the max, but I can't imagine you needing to do that.

[monsterthompson]

Ran an Excel file to get the differences, here is what I see (used the 115 for each line):
All are 99dB sensitive. I can't quite tell, but they all seem to have the same horn/tweeter system.
XS115 - 300W, 36-19,000 Hz, 17x22x14" & 26lbs
S115 - 400w, 32-19,000 Hz, 17x26x16" & 37lbs (more watts, lower Hz range, bigger)
M115 - 400 w, 30-19,000 Hz, 21x26x16" & 40lbs (same watts, lower Hz range, slightly bigger)
L115 - 400 w, 30-19,000 Hz, 25x28x16" & 49lbs (same watts and Hz range, definitely bigger)


(my bracket comment are relative to the model directly above it)

Other than pricing (which I don't know), can't see the benefit of the S vs the M being all that significant.

[nostatic]

Originally Posted by KJung

I might be behind the times (since TecAmp changes things up quite a bit, and I guess are now moving away from the neo cabs). If you are talking about XS, S, M, and L, they are just different cab sized and tuning, with the S, M and L using the same drivers and switchable crossover, and the XS using the same drivers with a non-switchable crossover.

To further complicate things, some of the combo's have mid driver loaded cabs versus tweeter loaded cabs.

Actually, the way the cab lineup worked (at least as of a few months ago) was:

XS - 3-way rocker switch for the horn/tweeter, rear ported
S - 6 (7?) position switch for horn/tweeter, rear ported
M - 6 position switch for horn/tweeter, front ported
L - same as M I think.

S and M are different sounding cabs IME. Not sure how much of that is porting vs cab size. The older S cabs were front ported and evidently had a different sound (tighter low, more aggressive) than the newer ones.

They evidently have switched to ceramic drivers and gone from metal grill to cloth, and I don't know if they changed the other aspects of the box.

[KJung]

Originally Posted by nostatic

Actually, the way the cab lineup worked (at least as of a few months ago) was:

XS - 3-way rocker switch for the horn/tweeter, rear ported
S - 6 (7?) position switch for horn/tweeter, rear ported
M - 6 position switch for horn/tweeter, front ported
L - same as M I think.

S and M are different sounding cabs IME. Not sure how much of that is porting vs cab size. The older S cabs were front ported and evidently had a different sound (tighter low, more aggressive) than the newer ones.

They evidently have switched to ceramic drivers and gone from metal grill to cloth, and I don't know if they changed the other aspects of the box.

+1 I forgot about the porting. They had some issues with port chuffing on the 's' cabs, given the small amount of real estate on the front baffle, resulting in very small triangular corner ports.

Pre your comment, yes, the rear ported s212 sounds quite a bit different than the original (not due to the port placement, of course, but rather that they tuned it to go a bit lower and softened the upper mids a bit. I greatly preferred the original (I had both and sent the newer one back).

They change this stuff so much, and are HORRIBLE about keeping the website up to date and checking for inaccurate info, that, at least with the cabs, you never know what the heck you are going to get! Glen at Austin Bass Traders usually has the pretty full scoop on what is happening for those in the US who are considering a cab. I'm sure Donovan at the Fretspot is up to date also. Both great retailers for this brand in the US.

[nostatic]

Originally Posted by KJung

Pre your comment, yes, the rear ported s212 sounds quite a bit different than the original (not due to the port placement, of course, but rather that they tuned it to go a bit lower and softened the upper mids a bit. I greatly preferred the original (I had both and sent the newer one back).

I tried the newer S212 twice and didn't dig it. The M212 otoh was a great sounding cab but I decided that I wanted to go back to a more modular setup (pair of 112s). Your old original S212 was floating around awhile back but I didn't snatch it up.

Both Glenn and Donovan are great to deal with.

[KJung]

Originally Posted by nostatic

I tried the newer S212 twice and didn't dig it. The M212 otoh was a great sounding cab but I decided that I wanted to go back to a more modular setup (pair of 112s). Your old original S212 was floating around awhile back but I didn't snatch it up.

Both Glenn and Donovan are great to deal with.

My buddy TBer Vision is gigging one of my previously owned original 4ohm s212's with an LMII, and it sounds KILLER! Great cab!

As we've discussed, the M212 (at least the neo version) seems to be the sweet spot regarding the ratio's of 'size/weight/volume/low end extension/punch'.

[Randyt]

kjung or Nostatic...do either of you have experience with the L215?

[KJung]

Originally Posted by Randyt

kjung or Nostatic...do either of you have experience with the L215?

Don't know anything about that one.