Thoughts on this cabinet: Frudua 2012 - 2x10 and 1x12 in the same cab

tribebass · #1 07-15-2011, 06:34 AM

Hey guys!

Long time reader, first time poster.

I know there are a lot of cab gurus in here, what do you guys think of this:

Frudua 2012

Seems quite smart with both 2x10 and a 1x12 sub in the same cabinet, and the weight is only 22 kg / 48 lbs.

The manufacturer writes:
Imagine linking a sub to your actual 2 x 10" cab and that's the Arena 2012.

For a cabinet of this size you usually expect to get maybe one 15" or possible 2 x 10". There's a problem in here with both those combination: the 15" can often be a bit overwhelming in the low end but doesn't give enough details in the high mids and the highs.

The 210 will give you lots of depth definition and give a crispy sound but won't really deliver the low notes needed for a B string of a five strings.

The combination here is there are 2 x 10" mounted with a tweeter in the middle and then underneath this there's a 12" speaker facing directly down. The bottom of the cabinet is ported so the bass reflection is really powerful.

The result is a 22kg cabined, sized 63cm x 42cm delivering 850 watt (!!) of pure warmth and tone definition for all musical and style situations.

Small size light 850W cabinet. Thinking about ordering one. Anyone played one of these or have any comments about the design in general?

MuzikMan · #2 07-15-2011, 07:10 AM

Absolutely not. There's a lot of marketing BS in those statements that sound cool but do not obey the laws of physics.

The first, most glaring issue is that there are different drivers sharing the same acoustic space. That is a no-no!

The statements that 15's are only good for lows and 10's have no lows is simply not true.

Matthijs · #3 07-15-2011, 07:25 AM

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Originally Posted by MuzikMan

Absolutely not. There's a lot of marketing BS in those statements that sound cool but do not obey the laws of physics.

The first, most glaring issue is that there are different drivers sharing the same acoustic space. That is a no-no!

The statements that 15's are only good for lows and 10's have no lows is simply not true.

My thoughts too. It also looks like the 12 is firing into the common port, i have no idea why you'd want that.

4Mal · #4 07-15-2011, 07:29 AM

I liked my Schroeder 21012l a lot. That was a rather larger cabinet though. This is a cab that you woud actually have to hear and then decide for yourself.

will33 · #5 07-15-2011, 07:45 AM

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Originally Posted by MuzikMan

Absolutely not. There's a lot of marketing BS in those statements that sound cool but do not obey the laws of physics.

The first, most glaring issue is that there are different drivers sharing the same acoustic space. That is a no-no!

The statements that 15's are only good for lows and 10's have no lows is simply not true.

+1 on all counts.

pablomigraine · #6 07-15-2011, 08:20 AM

BEEE ESSSSS

**bass4worship** · #7 07-15-2011, 08:31 AM

I have to disagree, I have done this to a few of my cabs with the extra driver i put in facing down and had no problems at all.

Marko5657 · #8 07-15-2011, 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by MuzikMan

Absolutely not. There's a lot of marketing BS in those statements that sound cool but do not obey the laws of physics.

The first, most glaring issue is that there are different drivers sharing the same acoustic space. That is a no-no!

The statements that 15's are only good for lows and 10's have no lows is simply not true.

+ another...

And how’s the 12” a sub; there’s not even a crossover…

billfitzmaurice · #9 07-15-2011, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by tribebass

have any comments about the design in general?

If the twelve and tens were in individual compartments and crossed over to eliminate bandwidth overlap there would be some validity. But not that much, as you don't need two tens providing the mids to keep up with the lows provided by one twelve. One six or eight would do. And then there's the matter of the two tens being mounted side by side. That should never be done, as it takes the midrange dispersion of one ten and halves it. Any acoustical engineer worthy of the name is aware of these issues, and would not design a cab in this fashion, so one must assume that the designer of the cab is not an acoustical engineer.
In short, there's a right way to do a multiway driver cab, and there's a number of wrong ways. This is one of the wrong ways. To see the right way look at the fEarful threads, or look at the Avatar 153.

wcriley · #10 07-15-2011, 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by billfitzmaurice

To see the right way look at the fEarful threads, or look at the Avatar 153.

Also look at the BFM Omni 12 and Omni 15.

superbassman2000 · #11 07-15-2011, 10:27 AM

i like how the demo videos are marked private on youtube lol!

"it sounds better--trust us!"

considering the price, I don't think i'll ever be interested

**bass4worship** · #12 07-15-2011, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by superbassman2000

i like how the demo videos are marked private on youtube lol!

"it sounds better--trust us!"

considering the price, I don't think i'll ever be interested

I wouldn't trust any audio on a site that could be altered.

You can hear some of their amps if you go to bass heads section.

**bass4worship** · #13 07-15-2011, 12:30 PM

To much science going on here and not enough listening. If I had to analyze every piece of gear I owned I would never buy any of it. J.M.O.

**bass4worship** · #14 07-15-2011, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Marko5657

+ another...

And how’s the 12” a sub; there’s not even a crossover…

Don't need one, they only will go to a rated Hz.

billfitzmaurice · #15 07-15-2011, 01:48 PM

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Don't need one, they only will go to a rated Hz.

That's probably what the designer thinks, but he too doesn't know how speakers work.

MuzikMan · #16 07-15-2011, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by bass4worship

To much science going on here and not enough listening. If I had to analyze every piece of gear I owned I would never buy any of it. J.M.O.

I'll give you a point for mentioning that listening is key but honestly, science isn't voodoo magic. It is a solid, predictable thing that is very useful if you understand it.

will33 · #17 07-15-2011, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by bass4worship

Don't need one, they only will go to a rated Hz.

I don't know where you're getting your information but it just plain doesn't work that way.

**bass4worship** · #18 07-15-2011, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by MuzikMan

I'll give you a point for mentioning that listening is key but honestly, science isn't voodoo magic. It is a solid, predictable thing that is very useful if you understand it.

But how many will?

MuzikMan · #19 07-15-2011, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by bass4worship

But how many will?

As many as there are those who are willing to listen to those that do.

will33 · #20 07-15-2011, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by bass4worship

But how many will?

As many as are willing to put in the effort to learn.

Downfiring your speaker naturally filters out a lot of mids and highs but without a crossover the downfired speaker is still producing them interfering with the other speakers. If they would've downfired a 10 identical to the others, then it would just be voicing the cab a little heavier in the lows.