Tilted Cabinet?

LZBass · #1 03-26-2010, 01:46 PM

Just wondering if anyone tilts or raises their cabinets off the floor/stage. I've been hearing that the lows are increased if you tilt the cabinet.

Peace out...

MooseLumps · #2 03-26-2010, 01:49 PM

I don't know about that, but when you tilt the unit, you can hear the highs, making your rig seem more articulate. One of the reasons that 8x10's are considered to be much brighter, they blast you right in the ear and not just in the knees.

I tilt my cab on stage for better monitoring. It's slick.

Versatek6 · #3 03-26-2010, 02:06 PM

I have my Trace 715x on a tiltback stand. It puts the controls at waist-height, and certainly helps me hear it better.

It probably changes the amount of reflected/absorbed sound from the floor.

topper · #4 03-26-2010, 02:09 PM

I tilt my cab. It's hard for me to imagine that it would make any change in the frequency output of the cab. But as stated above, it makes it easier for you to hear the direct output of the cab with your ears rather than your knees.

I have a little spring loaded handle on the bottom of the cab that functions like a little tilt back stand. I've also used an amp wedge. Both seem to work equally well.

LZBass · #5 03-26-2010, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by topper

I tilt my cab. It's hard for me to imagine that it would make any change in the frequency output of the cab.

Thanks for all the responses. I understand that it would not actually change the frequency output of the cabinet. It had to do with reflection of the sound waves produced off of the hard surface.

Maybe all it is just better being pointed at the ears instead of the knees!

jsm81 · #6 03-26-2010, 04:30 PM

Yeah, I've got a bxt210m that tilts back and it's really just the highs and upper mids that seem to benefit. And again, it's just that they are better aimed at your ears instead of your knees. I do think, though, that the bigger benefit is that you will more than likely not crank your highs as loud because you can hear them better which will insure your audience is hearing what you hear. The tendency with a traditional cab (at least in my case) is turn the highs up louder than they probably should in order to compensate what your missing. In turn, you end up blasting your listeners with highs while you think it's just right.
All that to say, I really like my tilt back and even bought a second. What I really like, is to take one 210 and set it upright and then take my second and sit it on top tilted. Very nice sound.

lowfreq33 · #7 03-26-2010, 04:31 PM

Positioning does affect the sound. In basic terms any boundary near your amp will tend to reinforce lower frequencies. So tilting it back would probably cause a slight decrease in your perception of the lows as the floor boundary is slightly further away. But it dependes on the room size, materials, ceiling height, etc.

dmusic148 · #8 03-26-2010, 04:38 PM

I use a tilted dolly I fabbed up that lifts my 4x10 about 4" at the rear and about 7" at the front. Sounds better. The resident audio experts here will tell you, IIRC, that you won't lose low end from boundary reflections unless you lift it a meter or more.

bigntasty · #9 03-26-2010, 04:44 PM

Tilting a cabinet allows you to hear yourself better, but when you decouple the cab from the floor you lose some of the lows - the floor actually helps to transfer the lows. This could be good or bad, depending on if you're relying on the PA to carry your sound, or if you're projecting from the stage.

Johnny Mack · #10 03-26-2010, 05:51 PM

i believe if the source is within 3 ft, you will have coupling at 100hz and below. tilting the cab will not decrease or increase low end response. the highs and mids will be more prominent as they are aimed at your ears (as others said). depending on the size of speaker, how many speakers, array of speakers, and angle of tilt, it could result in decreased dispersion in the crowd. if youre talking about a single 15, an angle of 45 degrees tilt would disperse practically nothing above 1khz or so. this is extreme, but just to show as example.

alot of bassists raise or tilt their cabs to get a better representation of their sound. i wish more guitarists would do this, they never hear themselves, but are killing everybody out front with ear piercing highs.

wonderjosh · #11 03-26-2010, 05:56 PM

Any tips for tilting a 100lb 4x10 cab?

billfitzmaurice · #12 03-26-2010, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by wonderjosh

Any tips for tilting a 100lb 4x10 cab?

Be careful.

oldno7 · #13 03-26-2010, 06:04 PM

I use a 2x10 ported w/ horn Gallien Kruger cab that are designed to tilt for practice and i really dig the sound when i play live i set in on top of my G.K 1x15 and the both together rock. I like this option having two Cabinets leave one at the rehersal space and one in my bedroom carry my RB 400 and im good to go.

MooseLumps · #14 03-26-2010, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by wonderjosh

Any tips for tilting a 100lb 4x10 cab?

fab up a frame out of plywood, flat on the bottom, with something like a 15 or 20 degree tilt and plenty of foot behind for support. Also, don't rest your beer on the top.

johnk_10 · #15 03-26-2010, 10:05 PM

that's one of the reasons i like these two cabs of mine. i can tilt them right at me. plus the trolleys make them easy to move. the smaller 12126 cab only weighs 40lbs w/o the trolley and 58lbs with it.

dmusic148 · #16 03-26-2010, 10:10 PM

Those ^ are beyond cool. Vox GAS. Are those being made anymore? How's the sound?

Petebass · #17 03-26-2010, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by wonderjosh

Any tips for tilting a 100lb 4x10 cab?

Markstand!

Or if you've got the cash, one of those Gruvgear carts.

johnk_10 · #18 03-26-2010, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by dmusic148

Those ^ are beyond cool. Vox GAS. Are those being made anymore? How's the sound?

actually they're modern amps in disguise. and the rig sounds great.

the 2x15 is a northcoast music 2x15 beatle cab, with two JBL K140's in it ( i also ported the cab). the 2x12 is a heavily modified Vox B212N, that i made a new baffle for, sealed the back, ported it and installed two Eminence 3012LF's with a 6.5 Eminence 630SS crossed over at 960hz (its now basically a fEarful 12126). the head is an old vox buckingham head cab that i had laying around, and i mounted a GK1001RBII in it.

iridiumrocks · #19 03-26-2010, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Petebass

Markstand!

Or if you've got the cash, one of those Gruvgear carts.

I had never heard of the Markstand until I saw your post. I found some info on it and it looks like a great idea. Do you have one? How well does it work? In the pics I found, it doesn't look sturdy enough to hold up a heavy cab.

iridiumrocks · #20 03-26-2010, 10:32 PM

I have been wanting to buy a tilt-back combo for a while now. This Markbass combo is something I really like but a little pricey. Anyone have one?

http://www.guitarcenter.com/Markbass...div_id=1657440