tl 606 build questions

bobodechimp · #1 10-29-2011, 03:41 PM

building a 606 times 2 to a make a 215 cab. i know that people are going to tell me just build 2 separate cabs but i want a 215 so a 215 it will stay. with that out of the way here are a few questions/statements. is the port on the 606 a week point structurally speaking of the cab? i was worried it might due to my hopes in making it a 215. let me explain envision a 606 on it's side with another 606 on it side on top. this would place the port on the cabinets long side (38" worth). so my thinking would be to place the ports in the corners like the gk mbx series. i would much rather use port tubes but i have no idea how to calculate the right size/number of tubes to be used. i know that with the covers on the port is (4.125x2x3.5)4 for the 215 set up making a total of 115.5 port volume but that's it. i couldn't even tell you if i am on the right track. i was hoping to use some cheapo drivers for now like seismic audio's earth shakers, carvin's ps15-8 or beta 15a till i can up grade to a better suited driver if need be. i know i could get a used cab for less money, hart ache, and sweat but i like buildings things and take pride in the out come of my labors. with that said does any one have any insight, info, or insults to add

bobodechimp · #2 10-29-2011, 07:02 PM

did a little math i think? if i want 2 tube ports on this cab. and my port volume is 115.5 i sould devide that by 2 ending up with 57.75. the volume of a tube is (pie){(rxr)h} so a 4inch wide tube needs to be 4.595 long right? i don't know

1n3 · #3 10-29-2011, 07:17 PM

If you want to use tube ports, forget the TL606 plans. Shelf ports and tube ports behave differently, as they have different ratios of wall area to cross-sectional area.

The good news for you is that WinISD does pretty well at predicting port size and length for round ports. That would be my first suggestion: get and learn to use WinISD.

If you can't manage that, you could look at some of the reference cab designs from Eminence. They're pretty generic; give you cabinet internal volume, but not dimensions. Round ports are specified.

T-Bird · #4 10-29-2011, 10:21 PM

Hi.

+1 for WinISD.
+1 for not trying to re-invent the wheel by changing the shelf port to round ones.

You can also use the speaker plans on the Eminence website if You're planning to use Eminence drivers.

The shelf port isn't a structural weakness in TL606 or TL505, just the opposite.

Regards
Sam

bobodechimp · #5 10-29-2011, 10:34 PM

i just played around with winisd. ***. i think there for i am... misinformed about reality

bobodechimp · #6 10-29-2011, 10:35 PM

sticking with the shelf port then

bobodechimp · #7 10-29-2011, 10:38 PM

hay i tried typing WTef and it did this *** it censored me. strange. didn't think it was that bad of a swear to result in that ok noted

Calaverasgrande · #8 10-29-2011, 11:19 PM

if you are building a TL606 it is best to stick with what god intended and keep the dimensions the same. I have owned over a dozen TL606 style boxes and there was never a structural integrity problem with that kind of box!
I would also add that its designed for the old style EV bass drivers that had a lot of mid content and where a little shy on the lows.
SO modern drivers may sound a bit different than the "TL606 sound".

bobodechimp · #9 10-30-2011, 07:46 AM

different how

1n3 · #10 10-30-2011, 11:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bobodechimp

i just played around with winisd.

For how long?

**B-string** · #11 10-30-2011, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by bobodechimp

different how

Well I loaded mine with Eminence 3015s, changed them from decent bass bins into great bass bins and instead of a little honky midrange when used as a bass cab to a smooth more natural cab.

Calaverasgrande · #12 10-30-2011, 11:11 PM

honestly, there are a lot of more modern designs that sound great and are much more portable than a TL606. The only reason I can see to go after that design is if you are a EV speaker fan as I am. I like a clanky, nasal midrange with a solid bt not subsonic low end. The more modern drivers will give you a flatter sound, but you can achieve that with less wood and less weight.

1n3 · #13 10-31-2011, 02:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Calaverasgrande

honestly, there are a lot of more modern designs that sound great and are much more portable than a TL606.
... The more modern drivers will give you a flatter sound, but you can achieve that with less wood and less weight.

+1
TL606 or fEARful with 3015 non-LF?

ampegfuzz · #14 10-31-2011, 01:05 PM

Someone built the exact cab your talking about search a little deeper he had plans I think too

bobodechimp · #15 10-31-2011, 06:51 PM

no to worried about weight and wood i have plenty. i am a cook buy trade but i work in an artistic construction finishing job buy love. we build fire places, range hoods and columns for millionaires. it's fun but only part time but i have acses to tools, wood and "secret goo" for finishing the cab.
ampegfuzz were should i look first. i have tryed 215 build and tl 606 builds as mu search peramiters.
1n3 i only played with the winisd long enough(couple minuets then about 2 hours) to realize that it is way beyond me. i am a bit of a technophobe. if i can see it and hold it, i will work out its secrets. when there are abstracts and numbers involved (dyslexia kicks in) i tend to get lost. thats why i was hopeing to find a ready made or all most ready made path through the woods that is cab makeing

ampegfuzz · #16 10-31-2011, 07:04 PM

ill try to find it for you

EDIT: BOOOM!!!!! took two seconds

My 215 build. TL-606 based, using Eminence Kappalite 3015's.

Gizmot · #17 10-31-2011, 07:06 PM

EV invented the TL606 cabinet design and if you build the box to spec and use an EV EVM15B, EVM15L or one of the variants of EV variants of a 15-inch woofer with a 2.5-inch voice coil, it will sound pretty good. The EV woofers don't have as much sonic shaping as others do.
If you aren't going to use an EV woofer, then you need to plug the Thiele-Small parameters of whatever you intend to use and tailor the port size and enclosure volume accordingly. This isn't rocket science - it's just audio.

fdeck · #18 10-31-2011, 09:28 PM

The TL606 is just a basic ported box, right?

bobodechimp · #19 10-31-2011, 10:07 PM

kappalites are way out of my price range and rocket or audio it still out there for me way over my head.
so does any one know a cheapo speaker that will sit in the kappalite teratory spec wise i know 500 bucks sound like 500 bucks and 200 bucks sound like a 200 bucks but i don't care if the speaker weighs a metric tone so neo isn't a must for me

bobodechimp · #20 10-31-2011, 10:08 PM

maybe a delta por ??