Which Trace cabs are these?

mouthmw · #1 12-13-2011, 12:24 AM

I'm not knowledgeful on Trace Elliot cabs (or amps for the matter).

They don't look like the new 1048H and 1518C. Anyone might recognize the models? Looks like rat fur on those.

How does this combination work? It goes against the mixing 2 cabs of the same type. The guy selling those describes them as "Trace Elliot full stack".

Any info on those is appreciated.

Sinomis666 · #2 12-13-2011, 01:11 AM

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Originally Posted by mouthmw

I'm not knowledgeful on Trace Elliot cabs (or amps for the matter).

They don't look like the new 1048H and 1518C. Anyone might recognize the models? Looks like rat fur on those.

How does this combination work? It goes against the mixing 2 cabs of the same type. The guy selling those describes them as "Trace Elliot full stack".

Any info on those is appreciated.

Looks like the late 90s 1048h & the smaller 15 inch cab.there great speakers I've still got my early 90s 1048h it's been thrashed & sounds as good as it did when I brought it!but the vinyl covering is beat to **** & the grille is starting to rust

banikek · #3 12-13-2011, 07:44 AM

The 15" cab is a 1153t. Great cabs. I own two of them and they make a wonderfull stack.

tombowlus · #4 12-13-2011, 07:48 AM

That's a Trace Elliot 1048H on top of an 1153. Great cabs, IME/IMHO. I have gigged with them in this configuration, and it works fairly well, but I prefer either two 1153's or the 1048H on its own. Here's a picture of mine:

Bassflute · #5 12-13-2011, 10:57 AM

These were made to go with the 1028 cabs (a 2x10), or with the 2x10 combo's that Trace made; Trace made an 18 to go with the 4x10's but it required a separate power amp and/or biamping. The 2x10's sounded fabulous with them. I owned a 1225V combo with the 1153 extension cab for over 12 years, the longest I have ever owned ANY amp. It balanced well in this configuration, even without stereo amps or biamping, because the efficiency of both cabs were very close. The 15 gave you bottom end and lower mids that the 10's just didn't have.

Cheers,
Cameron

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Originally Posted by tombowlus

That's a Trace Elliot 1048H on top of an 1153. Great cabs, IME/IMHO. I have gigged with them in this configuration, and it works fairly well, but I prefer either two 1153's or the 1048H on its own. Here's a picture of mine:

mouthmw · #6 12-13-2011, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by tombowlus

That's a Trace Elliot 1048H on top of an 1153. Great cabs, IME/IMHO. I have gigged with them in this configuration, and it works fairly well, but I prefer either two 1153's or the 1048H on its own. Here's a picture of mine:

I take it the 1153 can't take all the power that 1048H can, so it's not a good match for loud gigs?

tombowlus · #7 12-13-2011, 11:30 AM

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I take it the 1153 can't take all the power that 1048H can, so it's not a good match for loud gigs?

No, it's more of an issue with the unpredictable results you get when stacking cabs with different driver configurations. You will more consistently get good results from stacking identical cabs.

mouthmw · #8 12-13-2011, 11:50 AM

Oh I see, you mean phase issues where they might cancel each other out in certain frequencies?

tombowlus · #9 12-13-2011, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by mouthmw

Oh I see, you mean phase issues where they might cancel each other out in certain frequencies?

Yup.

Downunderwonder · #10 12-14-2011, 12:58 AM

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Originally Posted by mouthmw

I take it the 1153 can't take all the power that 1048H can, so it's not a good match for loud gigs?

You could well be right on that score as well. I have the bigger 15" cab which is almost same size as the 4x10. I believe it's a 300W cab. End of day watts don't matter, what matters is not making the speaker blow out with too much power in the low end, which is where the GP12 preamps are great as you can chop out all the 30Hz nonsensense and some of the 40 Hz "too hard" and let her rip with 100Hz etc.

I would buy the whole setup in a heartbeat and trade away what you don't like. Two of those 1153 cabs would make a very nice rig. They won't get the low lows as well as the bigger one but with two of them and the right EQ it'll be pretty yummy.

I'm generally not a fan of the 4x10 sound myself, as powerful as they are. I haven't heard that Trace one, it wouldn't surprise me if it was exceptional but 4x10 always sounds so much better on axis than off axis.

I run a SWR jrII 2x10 stacked vertically on my 1518 and by all accounts it sounds great out in the room and fine by me! I don't play hell loud though.

The biggest problem with that 4x10 on top of 15 is you won't be able to hear the 15 complaining if you give it too much because you've got the 4 x10 singing in your ear. The best use for the 15 in that case is a unplugged stand to get the 10's up where you can hear them.

Bassflute · #11 12-14-2011, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by mouthmw

I take it the 1153 can't take all the power that 1048H can, so it's not a good match for loud gigs?

Not that so much, IMHO, as the vastly different EFFICIENCIES means that you won't HEAR the 15 given the same power as the 10's. the 15 is down around 98dB per watt/meter, and the 4x10 is up around 104+dB/w/m.

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Originally Posted by tombowlus

No, it's more of an issue with the unpredictable results you get when stacking cabs with different driver configurations. You will more consistently get good results from stacking identical cabs.

Usually, unless they're made to compliment each other, like the old Berg stack, and that particular 2x10/15 stack by Trace. They did make a larger 15 cab, and an 18, to go with this 4x10, but BOTH of them required biamping to be balanced.

The big old Trace rigs of yore had built in sweepable crossovers and two power amps just for such occasions:

Here's a review of the new ones:

Review: Trace Elliot AH 1200-12 Head and 1048 and 1818 Cabinets | Guitar World

Cheers,
Cameron