Trading in my ampeg 8x10 for......

harrison_faulkn · #1 01-07-2011, 10:51 PM

As I'm trying to trim some fat from my budget, I've decided that I don't need to pay for my storage space I keep my cabs in and go with a smaller rig (house to small to keep an 8x10 in). Ive been looking at going with 2 112 cabs, 2 210 cabs, or just a single 210 cab. I don't like 15's, and I'd prefer not a 410 so I can break apart the rig for different situations.

I've looked at the avatar 112s, and the Aguilar GS112s, but what do you guys think? I bought the 8x10 originally because I really liked the sound of it, not for the size

johnboy65 · #2 01-07-2011, 10:59 PM

i'm not a huge fan of 12's (i don't think there are bad, just not for me) so i'd say 2x10 cabs. eden makes good ones, aguilar, and i think epiphani makes a 3x10 that looks cool but i've never played it. I think the bigger the better on the cab size with (most) 2x10's.

**jmattbassplaya** · #3 01-07-2011, 11:07 PM

In my experiences, 2x10s are never enough for a gig. They always end up farting out or sounding thin once you get to a loud enough volume to keep up with a guitarist and a hard hitting drummer. I'd check out Aguilar and Genz Benz 2x12s.

harrison_faulkn · #4 01-07-2011, 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by jmattbassplaya

In my experiences, 2x10s are never enough for a gig. They always end up farting out or sounding thin once you get to a loud enough volume to keep up with a guitarist and a hard hitting drummer. I'd check out Aguilar and Genz Benz 2x12s.

What about 2x 112s?

behndy · #5 01-07-2011, 11:37 PM

with a pair of Aggy GS112's i can get LOUD. i add a GS212 if i need to be stupid.

but i've always prefered 12's.

98dvl · #6 01-07-2011, 11:43 PM

They may look like toys, but the new Ampeg SVT-210AV cabs (and the Micro head that goes with it) are awesome. I just got two delivered today and can't believe how great they sound.

They handle a low B OK, but it's not a deep low B. However, they don't fart out when hitting that low B (which surprised me a bit). I've been spending the evening playing through them with the Micro head and my GK 800RB. They sound great with either amp.

**jmattbassplaya** · #7 01-07-2011, 11:49 PM

Two 12s is definitely worth a look for flexibility, but it will likely cost you more than a single 2x12 cab. My best advice is no matter what route you decide to take, look at buying whatever it is you want used.

Dr. Eagle · #8 01-08-2011, 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by behndy

with a pair of Aggy GS112's i can get LOUD. i add a GS212 if i need to be stupid.

but i've always prefered 12's.

I think you and I are in the minority, but I have never liked 10" speakers. I do prefer larger speakers. My Silverado Special with 2x12" is mighty loud for most club gigs, but for outside you need more even if plugged into a PA. For larger rigs my personal preference is for modular cabinets. I have 4 1x15" cabinets and have been looking at the Avatar 2x12" cabinets to add to the rig so that i would have 2 1x15" and 2 2x12" cabs in my big outdoor rig.
The nice thing about that arrangement is you can use any pieces in any combination or just 1 cab for smaller places.

gillento · #9 01-08-2011, 12:33 AM

As for 12"s I'd recommend the Aguilar db212 or two db112s.
They are more towards the Ampeg 810 then the GS (which do sound more modern).

harrison_faulkn · #10 01-08-2011, 10:12 AM

I will look into those db112s, because I really do like the sound of my ampeg

wshines1892 · #11 01-08-2011, 11:45 AM

I too will vouch for the SVT 210AV. Maybe I just don't need to same headroom as most, or maybe I just always have the benefit of ample PA, but I really like the way mine sounds. You can stack two for a vertical 410 if you're into that sort of thing and the best part is it only weighs 24 pounds per cab. The low end on the cab isn't super big, but it's enough and I'd rather let the subs carry the low end for me anyway. For highs and mids with a nice warm low end, you can't beat it.

Granted, I was looking for a 210 cab that wasn't going to break the bank so I snagged it for 250. There may be other 210 cabs that are better, but I'm pretty dang satisfied with mine.

shoot-r · #12 01-08-2011, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by harrison_faulkn

As I'm trying to trim some fat from my budget, I've decided that I don't need to pay for my storage space I keep my cabs in and go with a smaller rig (house to small to keep an 8x10 in). Ive been looking at going with 2 112 cabs, 2 210 cabs, or just a single 210 cab. I don't like 15's, and I'd prefer not a 410 so I can break apart the rig for different situations.

I've looked at the avatar 112s, and the Aguilar GS112s, but what do you guys think? I bought the 8x10 originally because I really liked the sound of it, not for the size

I went through your same problems, large cabinets/large, heavy head, ect.
My solution was two Avatar Neo 210 cabinets stacked as a vertical 410 powered by a GK MB2-500 head.
A vertical stacked 410 will get the top speaker up closer to your ears just as your 810 does, but with a smaller foot-print on stage, (and a smaller foot-print in your house.)
You can use one 210 cab for rehearsals/small gigs, both cabs when more volume and coverage is needed.
I'm with a loud, 6 pcs., country/rock group, I use FOH maybe 50% of the time. I don't know if it's the combination of the GK's 350 watts into a single 8 ohm 210 cabinet or the Avatar's custom x-max speakers...but, I've been amazed how loud and full a single 210 can be and just how many jobs I've been able to play using just one cab.
I'm not talk'n a single 210 as heavy metal loud covering a large area all by it's self, but for me it's been more than adequate at some gigs.

harrison_faulkn · #13 01-08-2011, 12:58 PM

I had an Avatar 410 with those speakers and I really liked it, but the dirtyness is what got me on the ampeg cab. However, a vertical stack of 210s is something I'm strongly considering. I've got a 4pro to push them

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Originally Posted by shoot-r

I went through your same problems, large cabinets/large, heavy head, ect.
My solution was two Avatar Neo 210 cabinets stacked as a vertical 410 powered by a GK MB2-500 head.
A vertical stacked 410 will get the top speaker up closer to your ears just as your 810 does, but with a smaller foot-print on stage, (and a smaller foot-print in your house.)
You can use one 210 cab for rehearsals/small gigs, both cabs when more volume and coverage is needed.
I'm with a loud, 6 pcs., country/rock group, I use FOH maybe 50% of the time. I don't know if it's the combination of the GK's 350 watts into a single 8 ohm 210 cabinet or the Avatar's custom x-max speakers...but, I've been amazed how loud and full a single 210 can be and just how many jobs I've been able to play using just one cab.
I'm not talk'n a single 210 as heavy metal loud covering a large area all by it's self, but for me it's been more than adequate at some gigs.

shoot-r · #14 01-08-2011, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by harrison_faulkn

I had an Avatar 410 with those speakers and I really liked it, but the dirtyness is what got me on the ampeg cab. However, a vertical stack of 210s is something I'm strongly considering. I've got a 4pro to push them

Maybe a pair of the new, lil', Ampeg 210 cabinets would give you your Ampeg sound but with a smaller foot-print.
I recently bought one of the Ampeg 210's cause it's so dam* cute!!!
But I sent it back after a couple of days. It had the great Ampeg tone but it distorted well before I could get a useable stage volume from it. (But, if I'd been using a pair of them it would have probably covered the job.)
The Ampeg 210AV and one of my Avatar Neo 210's, side by side, the Avatar 210 is probably 2-1/2 times louder...goes lower, (ported cab/larger cab), goes higher, (horn and crossover), and their both roughfully the same price.

JOE EDO · #15 01-08-2011, 01:50 PM

You will sell your 8x10, try a multitude of other cabs and configurations trying to get back to what you had. You will then give up on the idea and buy another 8x10 a year or so from now. That's my story....

I do enjoy my Genz Benz 112 Neo-X's (2). They sound good driven with an SVT head (with both 4/5 string basses.) Combined weight of both cabs is about 25 pounds lighter than the SVT head itself... go figure.

**butchblack** · #16 01-08-2011, 02:12 PM

My thought is going from an 810 to 2 112's or 2 210's may leave you wanting. You didn't say what you're using for a head or what type of music you're doing and how loud you need (or want) to be. I like Avatar, but as you mentioned you like a dirtier sound, so they may be too clean for your liking. I'd go either 2 212's or 2 410's, though the 2 410's may not be enough of a weight/space savings to be worth it. A simple rule of thumb that works for me is that the louder I need to be, the more speaker area I need. If most of your gigs are small clubs at reasonable volumes the 112 or 210 option may work for you.

98dvl · #17 01-08-2011, 02:34 PM

I owned an Avatar 210 for a while, and it did have a much better lower end than these Ampeg SVT-210AVs... But, it was quite a bit heavier (mine had the Deltas, not the neos). I used my Avatar 210 with my Ampeg 4x8, and it sounded great. I'm sure having two Avatar 210s stacked would sound awesome as well.

As was mentioned these Ampeg 210AVs don't have a ton of low end, but like mentioned above, I don't need a lot of it, and for the low stuff, the PA does the job just fine. I really only went with the Ampeg micro stack because I got a killer price on it (and will be getting $200 back in rebates). Also, I was just looking for something light so I wouldn't have to lug my 4x8 to rehearsal anymore... With two of the 210s, I have a new gigging rig, and can mix and match with my 4x8 if I need just a tad more low end.

I think if I had to pay full price... I might spring a bit more for two Avatar 210s. You may even want to consider an Avatar 210 and 212, 112, or 153 (newest model)... I bet either one of those with a 210 would be quite a combo.