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08-11-2011, 05:13 AM
|  | Swamp Yankee | | Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Smithfield, RI | | | TS Parameters for JBL K-150
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I've found a .pdf of the TS specs for the JBL K-140, but they don't seem to load properly into WinISD... maybe I'm not doing something right, which I suspect. Anyone here have these specs, or has done such a WinISD project with that venerable old driver? 
Thanks!
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08-11-2011, 07:16 AM
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Owner, Bill Fitzmaurice Loudspeaker Design | | Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: New Hampshire | | | They load just fine. User error would be my guess. Go to the WinISD forum for help. |
08-11-2011, 07:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Count Bassie  I've found a .pdf of the TS specs for the JBL K-140, but they don't seem to load properly into WinISD... maybe I'm not doing something right, which I suspect. Anyone here have these specs, or has done such a WinISD project with that venerable old driver?
Thanks! | You mean, it doesn't model the driver correctly? Make sure you didn't transpose any of the Q parameters. |
08-11-2011, 04:39 PM
| | Swamp Yankee | | Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Smithfield, RI | | | Right, I'm sure it's knucklehead-itis. The TS param chart that JBL provides only gives numbers, not the type of unit the number is given in... I'll try that forum- thanks Bill.
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08-11-2011, 04:49 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: May 2006 Location: austin,tx | | | WinISD can be real nitpicky if everything isn't dead on out to the n'th degree. Load just a few specs, get it to accept the driver, open new project using that driver...then hit the dropdown and edit/fill in the rest. |
08-11-2011, 04:51 PM
| | Swamp Yankee | | Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Smithfield, RI | | Quote:
Originally Posted by will33 WinISD can be real nitpicky if everything isn't dead on out to the n'th degree. Load just a few specs, get it to accept the driver, open new project using that driver...then hit the dropdown and edit/fill in the rest. | Ah, alright. Thanks Will.
__________________ "Whatever we do, it is what it is, and we do it."
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"Stop practicing!"
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08-11-2011, 05:08 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: May 2006 Location: austin,tx | | So....you gonna share or is this some ancient chinese secret?  |
08-11-2011, 05:13 PM
| | Swamp Yankee | | Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Smithfield, RI | | Huh?...  
I picked up the JBL in a swap- I traded a Studio Projects B-3 mic I never use anymore and a couple disregarded-but-working-fine pedals for it. It's now residing in an EAW VB-125 cab, which is about 4 cu ft, and as far as I know a recommended volume for the driver.
I have the ports extended though from when I had a 3015 in there, and I figure I might have to re-size 'em for the K-140.
'S'it...
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"Stop practicing!"
-Ray Harris, with a good-natured chuckle...
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08-11-2011, 05:18 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: May 2006 Location: austin,tx | | | The specs, man.
You get them from JBL or where? I haven't looked for them in quite a while. Just curious more than anything |
08-11-2011, 05:25 PM
| | Swamp Yankee | | Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Smithfield, RI | | Quote:
Originally Posted by will33 The specs, man.
You get them from JBL or where? I haven't looked for them in quite a while. Just curious more than anything | Ah, was unclear... I Googl'd "Thiele-Small Specs, JBL K-140" and a link to a .pdf came up.
__________________ "Whatever we do, it is what it is, and we do it."
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"Stop practicing!"
-Ray Harris, with a good-natured chuckle...
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08-11-2011, 05:36 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: May 2006 Location: austin,tx | | Smartass
I didn't find them last time I looked. |
08-11-2011, 05:58 PM
| | | | IMO, WinISD is one of the most user-unfriendly piece of software I've ever used.The least it could do is to tell the user what exactly had gone wrong so the user can correct it instead of making the user guess and try to get the parameters right by trial and error. If it was open source I'd go tear into it and fix it a new one. |
08-11-2011, 07:50 PM
| | Swamp Yankee | | Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Smithfield, RI | | Quote:
Originally Posted by will33 Smartass
I didn't find them last time I looked. |
Got lucky I suppose. I'm usually the guy asking the redundant, pedestrian questions...
__________________ "Whatever we do, it is what it is, and we do it."
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"Stop practicing!"
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08-11-2011, 07:52 PM
| | Swamp Yankee | | Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Smithfield, RI | | Quote:
Originally Posted by WingKL IMO, WinISD is one of the most user-unfriendly piece of software I've ever used.The least it could do is to tell the user what exactly had gone wrong so the user can correct it instead of making the user guess and try to get the parameters right by trial and error. If it was open source I'd go tear into it and fix it a new one. |
Ah, yes... 'tis a gift-horse with a rotten tooth...
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08-11-2011, 08:23 PM
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Owner, Bill Fitzmaurice Loudspeaker Design | | Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: New Hampshire | | Quote:
Originally Posted by WingKL IMO, WinISD is one of the most user-unfriendly piece of software I've ever used.The least it could do is to tell the user what exactly had gone wrong so the user can correct it instead of making the user guess and try to get the parameters right by trial and error. | I have no problems with it whatsoever. Enter only as many parameters as required for it to calculate the rest. The problem doesn't lie in WinISD, it lies with data sheets that are not as accurate as the program is. |
08-12-2011, 05:49 AM
| | | Yes, that would be the case. WinISD works great for people who actually understands all the calculations involved and knows which parameters are required and which are the ones making WinISD barf. For the layman who just wants to plug the data files in and start playing with the program, it's hell. If the program provided a bit more feedback as to what it doesn't agree with and why, then it allows the layman user to fix the problem and continue. It's more user friendly and usable by more people that way.
I used to write software for a living and so I maybe bit opinionated on software design  |
08-12-2011, 06:22 AM
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Owner, Bill Fitzmaurice Loudspeaker Design | | Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: New Hampshire | | Quote:
Originally Posted by WingKL For the layman who just wants to plug the data files in and start playing with the program, it's hell. | That's why WinISD has a support forum. Logically that would be the first place that someone with problems/questions would go. |
08-12-2011, 12:37 PM
| | Swamp Yankee | | Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Smithfield, RI | | Quote:
Originally Posted by Count Bassie
Got lucky I suppose. I'm usually the guy asking the redundant, pedestrian questions... | My responses have been continuously snarky, without meaning it... sorry Will!
It's been a very long couple weeks...
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08-12-2011, 12:42 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: May 2006 Location: austin,tx | | | No offense taken whatsoever man.
I too have been working myself beyond the point of clear thinking. |
08-12-2011, 12:57 PM
| | Swamp Yankee | | Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Smithfield, RI | | Quote:
Originally Posted by will33 No offense taken whatsoever man.
I too have been working myself beyond the point of clear thinking. |
Yeah, that'll cramp one up good. Have a weekend man! I'm off to make some noise on the local "Holy-Ghost Festival" circuit (i.e., fog machines, blinky-lights, and way too many subs out front...), good for loosening up the head-clog. 
We'll see if I can beat up that Hartke VX-215 cab that's been sitting in the basement!
__________________ "Whatever we do, it is what it is, and we do it."
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"Stop practicing!"
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