Tuner out to another amp?

Miffe · #1 01-20-2011, 03:13 PM

I have an Eden 4x10 combo amplifier. I am getting a new rig with an amp head and a 4x10 cab. The new cab get it's power from the head speaker output. There is a tuner out and record out on the head...can I use one of them to connect to the combo's standard input so I can power it too so I have 8x10?

gus1894 · #2 01-20-2011, 03:17 PM

Not likely to turn out well. Also, you need to find out the ohms on the cabs as well as the amp - you generally can't plug anything into anything. If there is one speaker out, I'd plug one speaker in.

Miffe · #3 01-20-2011, 03:47 PM

so none of the outputs from the head works like a line out?

ChasBass · #4 01-21-2011, 01:59 PM

One of those should work as long as it doesn't mute your amp. I would use the padded or active input on the combo to test.
Another way is to use a Y cable and split the input to the two amps.

Remus_Redbone · #5 01-21-2011, 02:16 PM

Tuner out should be almost perfect to go in to the instrument input of your combo amp. It should be an unamplified, in-phase signal from your bass. You'll have to adjust the volume & tone control on each amp separately. If you have a "line out" on the head and a "power amp in" on the combo, you would be better off. That would allow adjustment of volume and tone from the controls on the head.

beggar98 · #6 01-25-2011, 05:52 PM

A lot of amps' "tuner" outputs are shaped in some ways to send a more "pure" tone to the tuner, so you may not get a good tone out of the tuner jack. The recording jack should be fine, though.

FatAndy · #7 03-04-2011, 10:11 PM

I have done this successfully out of Peavey Tour 450 Head w/ a quad box & 115, and into a Genz Benz with a 210, the signal from the tuner out was basically identical to the signal coming out of my bass guitar.

I basically had two rigs going full throttle, about 7 metres apart.

JimmyM · #8 03-05-2011, 12:45 AM

i love how people always ask questions like this in the appropriate sub-forum.

TomB · #9 03-05-2011, 05:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Remus_Redbone

Tuner out should be almost perfect to go in to the instrument input of your combo amp. It should be an unamplified, in-phase signal from your bass. You'll have to adjust the volume & tone control on each amp separately. If you have a "line out" on the head and a "power amp in" on the combo, you would be better off. That would allow adjustment of volume and tone from the controls on the head.

...this.

jelwood · #10 03-05-2011, 05:28 AM

I don't see why tuner out wouldn't work, but effects send (if the head has it) would be best. I think there is a member here, B-string, who uses the effects send from his Fusion 550 that powers a neo 412 to an 800rb powering another 215. What a power hog

Passinwind · #11 03-06-2011, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by JimmyM

i love how people always ask questions like this in the appropriate sub-forum.

Especially given this sticky at the top of this forum.

Pollinator95 · #12 03-22-2011, 11:46 AM

Every time you ask Janek a gear question, a kitten dies.

BassNoob1 · #13 03-23-2011, 01:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pollinator95

Every time you ask Janek a gear question, a kitten dies.

Or puppy. Or whatever cute, adorable animal the OP likes...

**Pacman** · #14 03-23-2011, 02:45 PM

moved to the Amp forum. Please respect Janek's wish to NOT answer gear questions. Especially those that someone else could answer.

GrowlerBox · #15 03-23-2011, 03:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Miffe

I have an Eden 4x10 combo amplifier. I am getting a new rig with an amp head and a 4x10 cab. The new cab get it's power from the head speaker output. There is a tuner out and record out on the head...can I use one of them to connect to the combo's standard input so I can power it too so I have 8x10?

The first and most obvious question to ask is why you want to do this? It may well be that the problems you are likely to encounter will far outweigh any perceived benefit from doing it.

Given that it's worth doing at all, it would be far easier to respond to the query in a helpful fashion if we knew exactly what gear we're dealing with -- the Eden combo, the new head and new cabinet.

Son of Bovril · #16 03-24-2011, 02:04 AM

the tuner out will work but...

best way to do this is to use the effects out of the head into the effects return of the combo (if it has one), this way you will be using the head as a preamp into the power section of the combo. obviously there are heads and combos that will work differently to this and defy the laws of gravity, but that is the gereral way to do what you are asking.

**IvanMike** · #17 03-24-2011, 06:17 AM

Chiming in....

I've done this on several occasions and have yet to find a tuner out that won't send an "appropriate" signal very close the the normal signal right from the bass to the front input of another amplifier.

That said, then you are using two different preamps, EQ sections, etc. This can be good or bad as the the different speaker sections may sound better with different settings. You'll know if they are out of polarity as when you turn up the second one, all the bass response will vanish.

Of course you can go with the idea of sending the effects send or line out of one amp into the effects return of another. However, this assumes that both amps have a "post eq" effects loop. Eden amps do not. Their effects send is post tube and post enhance only. The signal is low level and unsuitable for driving a power amp section. After the effects return jack, amps like eden do all of the EQ and almost all of the preamplification of the signal. Given that, using the tuner out method would probably work better.

Keep the volumes low and give it a try, just don't do anything foolish like plugging a speaker out into anything but a speaker, and make sure you don't connect sends to each other or returns to each other, etc.

Son of Bovril · #18 03-24-2011, 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by IvanMike

Chiming in....

I've done this on several occasions and have yet to find a tuner out that won't send an "appropriate" signal very close the the normal signal right from the bass to the front input of another amplifier.

That said, then you are using two different preamps, EQ sections, etc. This can be good or bad as the the different speaker sections may sound better with different settings. You'll know if they are out of polarity as when you turn up the second one, all the bass response will vanish.

Of course you can go with the idea of sending the effects send or line out of one amp into the effects return of another. However, this assumes that both amps have a "post eq" effects loop. Eden amps do not. Their effects send is post tube and post enhance only. The signal is low level and unsuitable for driving a power amp section. After the effects return jack, amps like eden do all of the EQ and almost all of the preamplification of the signal. Given that, using the tuner out method would probably work better.

Keep the volumes low and give it a try, just don't do anything foolish like plugging a speaker out into anything but a speaker, and make sure you don't connect sends to each other or returns to each other, etc.

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