uh-oh...LMIII or SVT7pro and volume...

raul · #1 07-17-2011, 06:32 PM

about to perhaps pull the trigger on an amp head. LMIII or SVT7pro.

to be played with an Avatar TB153 and a Fender Geddy Lee Jazz bass. also use a VT Bass Deluxe pedal for the awesome tone shaping and to get some of those SVT like tones...it's pretty amazing! that pedal rules! but with a LMIII, will they work well together?

will the LMIII have volume enough to play with keys and another guitarist with a loud Mesa Boogie 100 watt head? i've been told by a GC guy that it should...and i've heard that these heads are LOUD! the LMIII seems cool, light weight, loud etc...but good with pedals? and volume, is it pretty loud enough for a full band situation, loud rock and funky stuff?

or go with the SVT7pro? how loud is that one?

need this rig in a week for some studio and gig work...

vin*tone · #2 07-17-2011, 08:48 PM

I would have thought the 115 cab will be the problem with volume - not the head.

lokikallas · #3 07-17-2011, 08:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vin*tone

I would have thought the 115 cab will be the problem with volume - not the head.

+1

JimmyM · #4 07-17-2011, 08:55 PM

Well the cab uses a 3015lf and they can take a good pounding. But neither one of those heads would have a problem with getting good and loud with it. You'll have plenty enough volume with either one to get your band fired.

But if you're going on tone, I used to have an LMII and liked it very much, but the 7 Pro is a lot better sounding IMHO.

raul · #5 07-17-2011, 09:01 PM

yes, JimmyM, it's a volume and a tone thing. i think the LMIII may just be loud enough...but, i was thinking that with the VT Bass Deluxe, that would at least get some some of the tone i'm looking for, which is varied. i need some flexibility with tone, some songs are clean and some are dirty and some just need some thump and growl.

that's why i paired it down to a LMIII or an SVT7pro. they seem like cool amps. i almost considered the Mesa M9...not sure though...i think the other two will be ok...

JimmyM · #6 07-17-2011, 09:08 PM

Well it's up to you...either will do the job and the VTD is still pedal of the future. But man, that 7 Pro...I'd have one if I wasn't married

raul · #7 07-17-2011, 10:22 PM

ok. well i need to look into the 7 Pro more and hear what happens next. just curious about reliability with the new 7 pro and if using the VT Deluxe with an amp that already has those SVT sounds woul dnot be such a good idea, though i would hope tha it would only give me more tone possibilities...

but man, that LMIII seems fun! and many seem to really dig it...

raul · #8 07-17-2011, 11:08 PM

ok...Avatar TB153 or Ampeg 410HLF for more volume and depth?

kosmicwizard · #9 07-18-2011, 03:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by raul

ok. well i need to look into the 7 Pro more and hear what happens next. just curious about reliability with the new 7 pro and if using the VT Deluxe with an amp that already has those SVT sounds would not be such a good idea, though i would hope that it would only give me more tone possibilities...

but man, that LMIII seems fun! and many seem to really dig it...

The LMII and III are the same head. Jimmy used that head with the VT exclusively in order to get the SVT tone. If he says the 7 PRO is the bomb it is because it is ... or Ampeg bought him!

LOL! I heaven't heard the 7 PRO in person, however, I would go with it and use it as an almost overdriven Ampeg tone and then kick on the VT pedal for the full effect! In my mind there is no reason why these would not work perfectly together. Cheers.

P.S. If you want to save a bit of money use a G-K 700RB-II or 1001Rb-II with the VT pedal for similar effects. Enjoy.

rodl2005 · #10 07-18-2011, 05:24 AM

I'd go for the Avatar, & maybe get another later on, if you like (if it's 8 ohms ). The HLF cab is tuned very low, imo there are better 410's about.

lomo · #11 07-18-2011, 07:51 AM

The 7 Pro and TB153 will be insanely loud and low. I'll bet you'll not need a 2nd cab. That rig should do anything a 410 will do. That's no ordinary 15 in there.

raul · #12 07-18-2011, 11:08 PM

ok, so i'm going to check out the 7 Pro tomorry at the local GC and hear what happens next...hmmm...another guy at a local shop told me that most of the players who buy the Markbass stuff like the LMIII are country or jazz or blues guys...or guys that play more in cover bands and wedding bands and such...and that the 7 Pro can pretty much do tone wise what the LMIII does and has 500 extra watts, has that SVT tone already and just dominates the LMIII! WOW! gotta try this amp! and with a VT Deluxe the 7 Pro is amazing! WOW!

is that pretty accurate?

and with a TB153 rather than the 410HLF?

for big rockin' and hard rock tones and some crazy funky stuff and to just have that amazing bass tone...

raul · #13 07-19-2011, 09:17 AM

anyone care to comment on my last post about LMIII tones and those who use them in regards to what i was told at a few music stores? it's pretty funny but may be true...who knows? i'm really super on the fence between the LMIII and the 7 Pro...i know both would kick ass with the VT Deluxe, but there can only be one! and yes, i am going for some big tone here...

rummy · #14 07-19-2011, 10:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by raul

ok, so i'm going to check out the 7 Pro tomorry at the local GC and hear what happens next...hmmm...another guy at a local shop told me that most of the players who buy the Markbass stuff like the LMIII are country or jazz or blues guys...or guys that play more in cover bands and wedding bands and such...and that the 7 Pro can pretty much do tone wise what the LMIII does and has 500 extra watts, has that SVT tone already and just dominates the LMIII! WOW! gotta try this amp! and with a VT Deluxe the 7 Pro is amazing! WOW!

is that pretty accurate?

and with a TB153 rather than the 410HLF?

for big rockin' and hard rock tones and some crazy funky stuff and to just have that amazing bass tone...

I use Little Mark II with two Avatar GS112 cabs in a straight up punk rock band. I do just fine with nothing in the chain, and it's plenty loud. I've since replaced the two GS112s with a single 15, but I haven't played a gig since I got it, so I can't say.

However, I am super curious about the VT Bass. I've read many stories from LM users who put the VT in the chain.

RickenBoogie · #15 07-19-2011, 11:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by raul

anyone care to comment on my last post about LMIII tones and those who use them in regards to what i was told at a few music stores? it's pretty funny but may be true...who knows? i'm really super on the fence between the LMIII and the 7 Pro...i know both would kick ass with the VT Deluxe, but there can only be one! and yes, i am going for some big tone here...

Anyone who thinks or says that certain amps are good for specific genre's only, are misinformed. ANY amp can be used in ANY genre of music. It's a matter of the entire signal chain, from your fingers, to the speakers. And a good bassist can coax whatever tone or feel they require from any amp they choose.

raul · #16 07-19-2011, 12:15 PM

still on the fence about LMIII or Ampeg 7 Pro...with a VT Bass Deluxe...need big fat rock/funky booty shake and all that cool stuff...i'm not sure about how much of a good hard rock/funky tone for heavy music a LMIII will give me and still have not heard a whole lotta demo of the 7 Pro, so ima not sure...help!

T. Alan Smith · #17 07-19-2011, 12:58 PM

Both are fully capable, professional grade amps. Which one inspires you more?
Either will give you big fat rock and funky booty if the rest of the chain(re. instrument, touch, strings, cab, setup) is up to par. The only way the LMIII wouldn't give you good hard rock/funky tone for heavy music is if the rest of your chain is sub par. i.e. it's not the amp, bro.

Slackerprince · #18 07-19-2011, 01:40 PM

I have the SVT 7 Pro and TB153 rig.
I'm just a dorky hobby player using them
at home, so I don't have any gig reviews
to share, but I've been through a few different
rigs and the 7 Pro has that "tone" I was looking for.
The TB153 has a mid-driver and tweeter, so you're
getting a very articulate sound.
With 1000 watts, can't imagine you'd need more juice.
For me, it's huge overkill, but I read all the threads on
the TB153 and thought it was a great cab at an excellent value.
I really like the Ampeg sound, and the head delivers. I had been
looking at the PF-500, but just decided to be DONE and go for the gusto.
Good luck with your choice.
Incidentally, the 153 with the Neo situation kind of makes it a "buy soon" deal.
They've already gone up $40 since I got mine a few months ago, and there's
talk that Avatar may be moving to a ceramic driver.

raul · #19 07-19-2011, 01:53 PM

wow, slackerprince, that's right that's exactly one of the rigs i was thinking of! thanks! how many ohms is your cab? i want to select the right TB153 cab, not sure if i should go 4 or 8 ohms...i do want to get the most volume out of the cab and amp setup, but not sure when i'll be getting a second cab...if i even need it...

so, the SVT7Pro is awesome bass explosiveness! i just wish i could hear that exact setup next to a LMIII...of course both with the VT Bass Deluxe for hard rockin' music and some crazy funky stuff...the one that shakes and burps and growls most would win...but yeah, it's getting close and i need to get it soon...7 Pro or LMIII...dang...

Slackerprince · #20 07-19-2011, 02:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by raul

wow, slackerprince, that's right that's exactly one of the rigs i was thinking of! thanks! how many ohms is your cab? i want to select the right TB153 cab, not sure if i should go 4 or 8 ohms...i do want to get the most volume out of the cab and amp setup, but not sure when i'll be getting a second cab...if i even need it...

so, the SVT7Pro is awesome bass explosiveness! i just wish i could hear that exact setup next to a LMIII...of course both with the VT Bass Deluxe for hard rockin' music and some crazy funky stuff...the one that shakes and burps and growls most would win...but yeah, it's getting close and i need to get it soon...7 Pro or LMIII...dang...

I got the 4 Ohm. I planned on using it alone and having it be the last rig I ever bought.
There is much to tweak. Just adjusting the tweeter on the cab really affects the tone a lot. With the 5 position midrange knob on the amp, you really can do some serious tone shaping.
Read-up on the TB 153. For the money, and a stand-alone cab, I don't think you could do better.
Incidentally, when I do garage or buddy jams, I will use my GK MB210 with a VT pedal and MultiComp compressor on Tubeism setting. If things ever got to a gig situation, I would pull out the 7 Pro and 153.
I think Dave at Avatar is offering reverse baffles, if you wanted to do 2 of the 153's and stack them.
What a monster rig that would be with the 7 Pro!

S