update opinion on new 112 cabs??

bluejayway82 · #1 11-29-2011, 11:07 PM

Hey crew,

I know there are about a million threads on 112 cabs but I'm in the market for a new rig (going from a db750 head with 410 cabs) and I need to go the modular route for the moment as I'm in a new country/continent/hemisphere.. and the 2x112 option seems most logical..

I play a passive US Joe Osborn 4, an active 'dowsky NYC 5, and a couple of stingrays.. mostly the lakland though.. (all styles, rock to funk to jazz mostly)

So I ask...
Bergantino HD series, Epifani UL, DNA, Aggy DB ('cause they look super cool) or even something like a TC 112(probably couple with a 210 if I go TC)...??

Also.. whilst I'm asking.. any opinions on the light weight heads? Ive had a LMII before but I blew that up, and I'm really not looking forward to NOT having a db750 behind me, but thems the breaks for the moment..
Probably leaning toward an LMIII or maybe the Piccolo, but my biggest concern for the minute is the speakers..

I'd really appreciate anybody's feedback that has played, in particular, the DNA gear vs the Berg HD series.. (vs the Aggy also)..

Cheers guys, thanks heaps.

cableguy · #2 11-29-2011, 11:15 PM

For a head why not the Tone Hammer 500 if you like the Aggy?

KJung · #3 11-30-2011, 05:20 AM

The LMIII is solid as a rock, with VERY few problem reports. Not sure how you 'blew one up', but that is not typical.

The micro head closest to your DB750 tone is the Genz Streamliner... that clean, fat, very tubey tone. The Streamliner is voiced a bit like the DB750 with the deep boost engaged. Great head.

That would be a very nice match with the Bergantino HD112's IMO. Also, a pair of the Baer ML112's would kill also... mid driver loaded... lots of punch and growl, and light weight (if a bit large).

bluejayway82 · #4 11-30-2011, 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by cableguy

For a head why not the Tone Hammer 500 if you like the Aggy?

yeah forgot to mention that. I'm based in Toronto at the moment and it's actually a bit tricky to get the aggy gear over, have to order it in from the states.. but that's definitely an option also. Cheers

bluejayway82 · #5 11-30-2011, 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by KJung

The LMIII is solid as a rock, with VERY few problem reports. Not sure how you 'blew one up', but that is not typical.

The micro head closest to your DB750 tone is the Genz Streamliner... that clean, fat, very tubey tone. The Streamliner is voiced a bit like the DB750 with the deep boost engaged. Great head.

That would be a very nice match with the Bergantino HD112's IMO. Also, a pair of the Baer ML112's would kill also... mid driver loaded... lots of punch and growl, and light weight (if a bit large).

yeah thanks heaps for that, a friend of mine rates the Genz stuff pretty highly as well.. Haven't heard of Baer before though.. I'll definitely look further into those bad boys, they look pretty tempting at first glance..

KJung · #6 11-30-2011, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by bluejayway82

yeah thanks heaps for that, a friend of mine rates the Genz stuff pretty highly as well.. Haven't heard of Baer before though.. I'll definitely look further into those bad boys, they look pretty tempting at first glance..

I have a few clips up of the Baer ML112 and Streamliner on my Youtube channel, so that might be a useful data point.

If you search 'Baer Amplification', his site will come up. The only products he has available of the ML112 at the moment. Cool cabs... big down low but still punchy, and a bright but not sizzly top end, and light weight.

I have a clip of the HT112ER (the cab that the HD112 is replacing), but the crossover and tweeter are quite a bit different on the HD112, so that probably won't be totally representative of the newer model (which I haven't played). Same woofer though, so it should rock down low for sure.

Crabby · #7 11-30-2011, 05:32 PM

I am just loving my new Mesa 112 cabs. They sound huge for their size.

murphy · #8 11-30-2011, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by bluejayway82

yeah forgot to mention that. I'm based in Toronto at the moment and it's actually a bit tricky to get the aggy gear over, have to order it in from the states.. but that's definitely an option also. Cheers

Cosmo Music in Richmond Hill sells Aguilar gear if you are interested

**WoodyG3** · #9 11-30-2011, 09:22 PM

I have not even come close to trying all the 12s mentioned in this thread, but I did just buy a new Berg HD112. I tried it with several heads, including the Streamliner and Tone Hammer. I will be playing it with my Markbass LM III, which sounded the best to me. I was surprised that I didn't like it as well as I thought I would with the Streamliner, as I was prepared to buy that head at the same time as the cab. I like smooth, tubish sounding heads, but the Streamliner sounded a little lifeless in comparison with the Markbass, and especially when compared to the Tone Hammer.

Anyway, back to the HD112, it is the best 112 I've ever played through. Clear, articulate, smooth highs and plenty of lows without becoming boomy.

My "runner up" cab was the Aguilar SL 112, and it's a great little cab, too.. I found it a tiny bit bottom heavy in sound, but it was also a terrific sounding cab.

All this, of course, in just one man's opinion.

KJung · #10 12-01-2011, 05:42 AM

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Originally Posted by WoodyG3

I have not even come close to trying all the 12s mentioned in this thread, but I did just buy a new Berg HD112. I tried it with several heads, including the Streamliner and Tone Hammer. I will be playing it with my Markbass LM III, which sounded the best to me. I was surprised that I didn't like it as well as I thought I would with the Streamliner, as I was prepared to buy that head at the same time as the cab. I like smooth, tubish sounding heads, but the Streamliner sounded a little lifeless in comparison with the Markbass, and especially when compared to the Tone Hammer.

Anyway, back to the HD112, it is the best 112 I've ever played through. Clear, articulate, smooth highs and plenty of lows without becoming boomy.

My "runner up" cab was the Aguilar SL 112, and it's a great little cab, too.. I found it a tiny bit bottom heavy in sound, but it was also a terrific sounding cab.

All this, of course, in just one man's opinion.

+1 The Streamliner, just like some all tube amps and the DB750, is a bit 'picky' about cabinet pairing IMO and IME. I was not particularly impressed with the Streamliner and the HT112ER (the cab that the HD112 replaces... same woofer from what I understand). A bit too much of a good thing.... wide, even, smooth, relaxed... making the Streamliner sound a bit too polite for my tastes.

RDUB · #11 12-01-2011, 05:58 AM

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Originally Posted by bluejayway82

yeah forgot to mention that. I'm based in Toronto at the moment and it's actually a bit tricky to get the aggy gear over, have to order it in from the states.. but that's definitely an option also. Cheers

Only have to go as far as Cosmo in Newmarket! I'm in London, and I deal with Rael there in the bass department. I also use a DB750, but my TH500 has been seeing the most use lately!

Cheers!

bassgod0dmw · #12 12-01-2011, 06:23 AM

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Originally Posted by KJung

+1 The Streamliner, just like some all tube amps and the DB750, is a bit 'picky' about cabinet pairing IMO and IME.

+1 as well. I didn't like it with Aggie GS112's, bass heavy cabs + bass heavy head = mush. I love it with Bag End S15D's. It sounds awesome!

It's a really nice head. Lots of power, great tone, small package.

KJung · #13 12-01-2011, 06:28 AM

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Originally Posted by bassgod0dmw

+1 as well. I didn't like it with Aggie GS112's, bass heavy cabs + bass heavy head = mush. I love it with Bag End S15D's. It sounds awesome!

It's a really nice head. Lots of power, great tone, small package.

+1 My buddy Mikebass uses a STreamliner and a Bag End 15 cube, and it is killer. Great yin yang. My cab of choice with the STreamliner is the AE410, which is similarly tight and also present up top!

The Baer ML112 kind of sits right in the middle of the cab voicing continuum.... pretty big down low, but plenty of upper mid definition, which really works well with the STreamliner is you dig that DB750 type tone... fat, warm, relaxed, but still round and relatively punchy. Just depends what you are looking for.

The little LMIII still continues to amaze... literally sounds great (i.e., even, warm, articulate, musical) with virtually any cab. If the LMIII provides the required volume, pretty hard to find anything better if your tone goal matches what it does.

KJung · #14 12-01-2011, 06:51 AM

FYI, here is a clip of the Baer ML112 with my Markbass F500 and my Alleva-Coppolo 70's style J. The LMIII would be a touch more relaxed and warm, but this clip is pretty close to the 'Markbass/ML112 tone' I think.

If interested, there are a couple of more clips with this cab and the STreamliner with my Nordy pre on my channel that demonstrate that vibe.

Baer Amplification ML112 with Alleva-Coppolo J - YouTube

Slowgypsy · #15 12-01-2011, 07:06 AM

I can highly recommend GK Neo 112 cabs. Besides being huge bang for the buck, I think they're quality is absolutely first rate.

bluejayway82 · #16 12-01-2011, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by murphy

Cosmo Music in Richmond Hill sells Aguilar gear if you are interested

Yeah thanks for that. I might pop in there, I've sent them off a couple of emails and haven't received anything back, and the guys at Aguilar just suggest using Misic123

bluejayway82 · #17 12-01-2011, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by KJung

FYI, here is a clip of the Baer ML112 with my Markbass F500 and my Alleva-Coppolo 70's style J. The LMIII would be a touch more relaxed and warm, but this clip is pretty close to the 'Markbass/ML112 tone' I think.

If interested, there are a couple of more clips with this cab and the STreamliner with my Nordy pre on my channel that demonstrate that vibe.

Baer Amplification ML112 with Alleva-Coppolo J - YouTube

Thats great, thanks the clips are really useful. And I think you've almost answered my next question already, but I was wondering if the F500 sound almost too 'solid-statey' with the Baer? I'm assuming the Coppolo bass will be similar (ish) to the 'dowsky.. I think I'm leaning toward either the Berg or the Baer with an LMIII at the moment, though I will definitely give the streamliner a run first.. So would you assume I'd have no trouble getting phat tones with the LMIII? If I can get a Marcus-y tone as well as a nice round but clean tone (which I know the Mark does the clear yet round sounds perfectly) then I'll be happy..

baileyboy · #18 12-01-2011, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Crabby

I am just loving my new Mesa 112 cabs. They sound huge for their size.

I couldn't agree with you more, love my Walkabout w/212 Scout cabs.

bluejayway82 · #19 12-01-2011, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by RDUB

Only have to go as far as Cosmo in Newmarket! I'm in London, and I deal with Rael there in the bass department. I also use a DB750, but my TH500 has been seeing the most use lately!

Cheers!

Cheers, thanks. I'll give him a shoult

kraigo · #20 12-01-2011, 10:20 AM

When it came down to actually buying I ended up getting a 2x12 rather than two 1x12's. I couldn't envision many situations where I wouldn't end up taking both cabs. The 212 was about 25% cheaper and would be more stable to transport. I got the Genz Benz NeoX 212T because I like the one rack width form factor. Easier to navigate through doorways. The NeoX has kick back wheels making it a one trip load in/load out with my Shuttle 6.0 in the bass's gig bag. One rolling box rather than two that I'd actually have to carry.

The only downside is that you have to fit a 2x12 in your vehicle, which is fine. The NeoX 212T will fit in the backseat or trunk of my Prius. I think with the seats folded down I could take a small drumset and the bass rig in the Prius, which is about as good as it gets with today's technology.

KO