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Old 02-21-2011, 10:33 AM
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I recently purchased a Bugera BVP5500, and i love it, contrary to the very mixed views on it, it has worked amazingly for me, and the tone is brilliant.

However, I have been debating about upgrading the valves inside, but I have no idea how to go about it, or what to replace them with.

I think there's 4 AX7 in there at the moment, but I can't remember without looking
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Old 02-21-2011, 11:54 AM
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What are you hoping to achieve by the "upgrade"?
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Old 02-21-2011, 12:10 PM
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^What Paul said/asked.

Most modern mass produced pre- and power amps are designed to use a wide variety of CP tubes without drastic difference in sound. That enables the manufacturer to slap almost any tube there, and it'll always sound the same.

If You like, you can change the tubes to "brand" names, but I highly doubt that the sound will change much.

Microphonic tubes are a different story, and there is room for improvement.

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Old 02-21-2011, 12:18 PM
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If the amp sounds great why bother? Tube changes will only make a subtle change in tone that you might not even hear. Usually the circuits are designed with whatever tube is in it to sound the best. If you didnt like the tone of the amp it might be worth a try but i would only change the first tube in the circuit because that is the only one you will hear any difference from. Trust me, i have done alot of tube rolling in my time.
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Old 02-21-2011, 12:29 PM
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I'll mirror the above. The main differences you'll notice between tubes is their overall gain, say a 12AX7 vs a 12AU7. However, I think your intent is to change the tone which isn't going to happen by switching tubes.
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Old 02-21-2011, 05:20 PM
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I recently purchased a Bugera BVP5500, and i love it, contrary to the very mixed views on it, it has worked amazingly for me, and the tone is brilliant.

However, I have been debating about upgrading the valves inside, but I have no idea how to go about it, or what to replace them with.

I think there's 4 AX7 in there at the moment, but I can't remember without looking
Bugera and Behringer are part of the Music Group. They are a major manufacturer using tubes. Check their videos about how they manufacture and test. They test every tube they use and reject ones that don't meet spec. Chances are low you're going to be able to buy a better tube than the ones they supply. The tubes that B* rejects are returned to the manufacturer who in turn sells them to other amp manufacturers, and internet sellers.

But if you want to roll tubes, because they will all sound different...

For rough description of all the tubes, look at an internet seller.
They'll have pages and pages of replacement tubes and descriptions of each brand and nondescript adjectives like warm, smooth, bright, grind, ... which may give you an idea of what you want to try.

And watch out for NOS (New Old Stock) tubes are not like bottles of wine that somehow improve with age. Many NOS are counterfeits. They are often new tubes silk-screened to look like old tubes, and sometimes include a box made to look old also. There's a huge mark up, and very little regulation, and nobody can really tell, so there's good reason for counterfeiters to jump in the tube market.

You'll get a 90 day warranty with tubes - but they're going to be impossible to exchange without a re-stocking fee. Many of Internet vendors charge you to pre-test the tubes for you to make sure they are not micro-phonic. You can bet that tubes they test and find microphonic they won't ship to you - but end up back on the shelf to sell to someone else.

Your best bet is to find a local repair shop, or Craig's list hobbyist is a large stock of tubes. Take your amp in and swap them out live, give them plenty of warm up time, and use your own best judgment to pick out whatever combination meets what sound you think you're after.

Tubes are just very variable. You might just want to try a pedal or modeling before the amp to get an ideal sound. Something you can repeat the sound with and rely on being consistent.
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