Using "Slave out" on an Orange AD200B mk 3 for recording

[lafo]

I need to do some rehearsal-recordings with my band and micing the cab is not an option!

Does anyone have any experience with using the "Slave out" from the back of the Orange AD200B when recording?

I've read somewhere, that using the slave out affects the sound of the amp, but tis makes no sense to me...

[Mr. Foxen]

You still need a speaker load on the output stage, and the slave out doesn't include the power stage, and I'd hope you consider that important to you sound since you've been carrying it about all this time.

[lafo]

@ Mr. Foxen:
I'm not sure I understand your reply. I'm gonna be playing through the cab while recording. And I want to make reasonable demo recordings so it's not "the perfekt sound" I'm after.

Usually I record bass using a DI box, but I would like to get some of the amp sound also without micing the cab. On the Orange amp the Slave out is affected by both the gain and the volume knob which is different from a DI out. Therefor I would like to know if anyone has any experience recording with the Orange AD200B using the slave out.

[bassboysam]

If you want the sound of your amp then get a speaker level DI, a radial JDI works great for this and you can send your amp's signal, including the power amp, to the board. You still need a speaker load though.

[runmikeyrun]

I put a line out on my Windsor off the speaker output. While it doesn't reproduce the frequency response of the speaker cab, this gives you the amp's sound post power tube and OT. If you're handy with a soldering iron it's easy to do, and will only cost you about $5 in parts.

+ from amp's output---------------4k7------------jack tip
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680r
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---------jack sleeve/ground

IMPORTANT: for some reason the vertical line with the 680r won't post in the right spot... it should tap AFTER the 4k7 and BEFORE the jack's tip.

Resistors can be 1/4w. You can tap the + from amp's output off of a speaker output jack's tip.

I have never done the math to calculate exactly how much juice comes out of this tap, but i've used it live into both a DI and directly into a power amp. Keep in mind that the line out's signal will get stronger the louder you turn up the amp, so when you're testing it start with the volume very low and slowly increase it until you get the level of signal you want.

I have a 100w head, so you may need to adjust the resistor values if the signal is too hot for you.

ALSO... you need to keep a speaker plugged into the amp! Do not run the amp just using the line out. Otherwise you'll blow the OT.

[bassboysam]

Originally Posted by runmikeyrun

I put a line out on my Windsor off the speaker output. While it doesn't reproduce the frequency response of the speaker cab, this gives you the amp's sound post power tube and OT. If you're handy with a soldering iron it's easy to do.

+ from amp's output---------------4k7------------jack tip
|
|
680r
|
|
---------jack sleeve/ground

Resistors can be 1/4w. You can tap the + from amp's output off of a speaker output jack's tip.

I have never done the math to calculate exactly how much juice comes out of this tap, but i've used it live into both a DI and directly into a power amp. Keep in mind that the line out's signal will get stronger the louder you turn up the amp, so when you're testing it start with the volume very low and slowly increase it until you get the level of signal you want.

I have a 100w head, so you may need to adjust the resistor values if the signal is too hot for you.

ALSO... you need to keep a speaker plugged into the amp! Do not run the amp just using the line out. Otherwise you'll blow the OT.

Or you can use the JDI to achieve the same exact thing.

[lafo]

Thanks for the replies!

My Orange AD200B has, besides the different speaker output sockets, a socket that's called "SLAVE OUTPUT".

This is what I already know from the manual: "The slave output socket is a line level output signal from the output stage of the amplifier.
The correct speaker load needs to be connected when using the slave output."

The "SLAVE OUTPUT" does not behave like an DI out, which I also didn't expect. The signal coming from the "SLAVE OUTPUT" is affected by the volume knob, which makes sense if you are using a power amp to drive some extra cabs, but not if you want to use it for recording.

So for me the question is if anyone has any experience recording using the "SLAVE OUTPUT" on an Orange AD200B? What does it sound like and how does it interact with other devices, mixers, recording interfaces etc.?

[Mr. Foxen]

The slave output is before the power amp section. The master volume is also before the power amp section. The Slave out will not have the tone of the amp, because the power section is not colouring the signal from the slave out. It is not intended for recording, if you do try, you need to consider the signal is at line level and impedance. There are better ways to record. Since you need a cab on the amp anyway, put a mic on it.