Vertical 3x10 sealed cab vs two SVT210AV's

[Roadkill]

With all the hoopla about vertically stacked 2x10 pairs I'm really interested in a vertical 3x10 single cab to match with a micro head. I've got a local custom cab company interested in making one for me. Tentatively I'm look for something the same size as the SVT210AV but 1-1/2x as tall and under 30 lbs with a power rating of ~450 watts. Ideally it would be 4 ohms but may have to be 5.6 ohms to use non-custom speakers - although the local cab company says he may be able to get custom drivers, especially if there is general interest in such a cab? Perhaps with an optional horn?

[JimmyM]

i'd rather have the two 210av's, but it would probably still work out very well.

[dmusic148]

Neat idea- I've been thinking of building just such a cab. You'd never hear a difference between 5.3 and 4 Ohms, ever. Not worth the bother.

[greenboy]

Under 30 pounds? Kinda headed for territory that won't be so bountiful if some of the more powerful mini heads are really envisioned as driving it hard. You can only go so light in construction before you've compromised both bass response and rigidity. 30 isn't nearly realistic.

[Roadkill]

Originally Posted by greenboy

Under 30 pounds? Kinda headed for territory that won't be so bountiful if some of the more powerful mini heads are really envisioned as driving it hard. You can only go so light in construction before you've compromised both bass response and rigidity. 30 isn't nearly realistic.

Fiberglass honeycomb :
http://flitecabs.com/bass

But yah, even if it is 1.5x the weight of an SVT210AV it would be plenty portable.

[Roadkill]

Originally Posted by JimmyM

i'd rather have the two 210av's, but it would probably still work out very well.

My thinkin' is that with two SVT210AV's you're gonna be tempted to just bring one on smaller gigs and then you lose the advantage of having one of the drivers up high enough that you can hear it with your ears instead of your knees . A vertical 4x10 would be too tall (and heavy?) to transport easily .

[greenboy]

Originally Posted by Roadkill

Fiberglass honeycomb :
http://flitecabs.com/bass

To my knowledge Flite through about 3 generations of designs and owners has not used HONEYCOMB. Has the current owner rolled back to it? The last several generations have used veneered foamcore. Needs more bracing than the Flite single woofer cabs, so make sure you spec that.

[5StringPocket]

A vertical 310 sounds like a good package. Even if it were made with more conventional material like high quality 1/2" plywood it would still be easy to move and have a nice form factor. What kind of drivers were being considered?

[Roadkill]

Originally Posted by greenboy

To my knowledge Flite through about 3 generations of designs and owners has not used HONEYCOMB. Has the current owner rolled back to it?

I thought I saw that on their website - I didn't specifically ask yet.

Needs more bracing than the Flite single woofer cabs, so make sure you spec that.

Yes, I'll be sure to understand the construction and approve it if I go with them. I'm only 10 miles away so that shouldn't be a problem .

[Roadkill]

Originally Posted by 5StringPocket

A vertical 310 sounds like a good package. Even if it were made with more conventional material like high quality 1/2" plywood it would still be easy to move and have a nice form factor. What kind of drivers were being considered?

I'd like to see a custom version of the SVT210AV driver with either a 16, 12, or 1.33 ohm voice coil. I'd be happy with 100 watt drivers but 150+ watt drivers would probably be of more general interest?

[Roadkill]

Originally Posted by dmusic148

You'd never hear a difference between 5.3 and 4 Ohms, ever. Not worth the bother.

I'd have no problem with either - but I think the general "uneducated" buyer would rather see 4?

[shoot-r]

Originally Posted by Roadkill

My thinkin' is that with two SVT210AV's you're gonna be tempted to just bring one on smaller gigs ( .

Last week I picked-up a Ampeg 210AV cabinet because it "looks" so great and because of the rave reviews.
Long story short...I'm back to using my Avatar 210 cabs and the Ampeg will be returned tomarrow.
For me, the SVT 210AV cab is NOT a stand alone.

[Roadkill]

Anybody have any experience with these drivers?
http://musicianpartsdirect.com/index...product_id=146
Supposedly they are made for bass in the same factory that makes Jensen guitar speakers. The specs look good and they look to have enough high end to not need a tweeter - similar to the SVT210AV drivers.

[rooted]

I'm very pleased with my two SVT210AV cabs. I usually take two to the gig and one to rehearsal. But, I've used one cab for many gigs, as well, before I had two. Great ampeg tone to my ears. I can easily walk a quarter mile with one in each hand. Use LMIII and VT pedal. I also like them with my upright.

[billfitzmaurice]

Originally Posted by Roadkill

Anybody have any experience with these drivers?
http://musicianpartsdirect.com/index...product_id=146
Supposedly they are made for bass in the same factory that makes Jensen guitar speakers. The specs look good and they look to have enough high end to not need a tweeter - similar to the SVT210AV drivers.

I don't see anything to like about its specs or response.

[Roadkill]

Originally Posted by billfitzmaurice

I don't see anything to like about its specs or response.

The major thing to "like" about its spec is it's 16 ohm. Secondly they go up pretty high. It looks to be about the same as the custom 16 ohm DeltaLite one can get from Avatar? Any better suggestions for a 16, 12, or 1.33 ohm 10" neo suitable for a sealed vertical 3x10?

[greenboy]

The diff between 5.33 and 4 nominal loads is so negligible. Certainly no reason to settle for lesser drivers.

[Roadkill]

Originally Posted by greenboy

The diff between 5.33 and 4 nominal loads is so negligible. Certainly no reason to settle for lesser drivers.

True - but the issue is that even 16 ohm neo drivers aren't readily available . The two I mentioned are the only ones I've found so far. Ideally I want a 12 or 16 ohm version of the driver used in the SVT210AV .

[Roadkill]

Update: B&C makes a 16 ohm 10" neo that is the frontrunner at the moment (10 NW 64 -16) - three of those will make this a 900w cab with a cone area about the same as a single 18". Those drivers have an 8mm xmax and go a bit lower than the Eminence DeltaLite.

I emailed Avatar and they tell me that Eminence won't let them sell their custom DeltaLite drivers to DIY'rs - nor are they interested in building me a custom cab .

[greenboy]

Have you actually modeled that driver? Not so impressive as I recall, for bass guitar.