Is it wacked to use a subwoofer instead of a cabinet?

[SnorLars]

Just investigation options here.

What's your take on this setup except the crappy sound and the feeling of being neutered?

In-Ear monitors, a multieffect pedal with amp sim and a subwoofer to get some vibrations and presence.

I was thinking a Kustom PA112S with a Boss ME-50B and some sennheiser IEM.

[will33]

Yup, is whacked.

Some guys use a shaker to put a little feeling in the feet to compliment in-ears.

[pedroims]

Originally Posted by will33

Yup, is whacked.

Some guys use a shaker to put a little feeling in the feet to compliment in-ears.

We have one of this at church, including the standing pad, I never use it.

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[will33]

Originally Posted by pedroims

We have one of this at church, including the standing pad, I never use it.

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Yeah, that's what I was thinking of, couldn't remember the name. Some have a pad to stand for live use. Some guys put them in the chairs at theater's etc. for that whole "feel it in your bones", "as if you were there" experience.

OP they don't really make sound but vibrate at frequency so you feel it in your feet. If you live in an apartment, you'll be hearing from the people downstairs. Their ceiling will become a giant resonator.

[FretFree]

I use the ButtKicker at church consistently. The in-ears by themselves are passable, but there is a dimension that is added while using it. It adds power.

As a long time fretless player, I find that I "feel" some notes on my bass. Some of that is restored.

[pedroims]

Originally Posted by FretFree

I use the ButtKicker at church consistently. The in-ears by themselves are passable, but there is a dimension that is added while using it. It adds power.

As a long time fretless player, I find that I "feel" some notes on my bass. Some of that is restored.

Do you plug it to your cab or to the kick drum? I was thinking that it may be good idea to plug it to the kickdrum

[will33]

Originally Posted by pedroims

Do you plug it to your cab or to the kick drum? I was thinking that I may be good idea to plug it in the kickdrum

You know, I'd never thought of that but it might be a really good solution on big stages, noisy stages, poor monitoring situations, any place it's hard to hear the kick to stay together.....good one.

[dmusic148]

Originally Posted by will33

You know, I'd never thought of that but it might be a really good solution on big stages, noisy stages, poor monitoring situations, any place it's hard to hear the kick to stay together.....good one.

It'd be nice if you could get a mix of both. Don't know if your setup would allow it, but I bet it would be nice.

[Ric5]

Is it wacked to use a subwoofer instead of a cabinet?

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Yep then you get no mids and no highs ... Subs cutoff at 80 to 100hz ... if you are lucky maybe 150 to 200hz.

[will33]

Originally Posted by dmusic148

It'd be nice if you could get a mix of both. Don't know if your setup would allow it, but I bet it would be nice.

Usually have to deal with a kick tap from monitors that don't handle bass. That could add in the bottom half...or feel it together with the higher pitched tap you hear.

[Broadstbully22]

I use both. 2 10s and then go into the pa with powered mains and a powered sub. The cab is behind the drummer. Works out great.

[oerk]

Originally Posted by pedroims

Do you plug it to your cab or to the kick drum? I was thinking that I may be good idea to plug it in the kickdrum

Since our drummer switched to an electronic kit, I wasn't able to hear or feel the kick properly anymore.

This is what I did:

Built a pad to stand on with four shakers (similar to the TecAmp one, but A LOT cheaper), connected to a power amp. The power amp gets the same monitor mix as the drummer (lots of drums and bass in it).

It's great! I feel like I'm in a big stadium, even at low volume gigs.

A subwoofer on stage would only mess with the PA sound.

[SnorLars]

Originally Posted by Ric5

Is it wacked to use a subwoofer instead of a cabinet?

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Yep then you get no mids and no highs ... Subs cutoff at 80 to 100hz ... if you are lucky maybe 150 to 200hz.

Tnx Ric. I was hoping to get some mids and highs through the inear.

I've tried the buttkicker for one gig. Sure it vibrates but I don't play that kind of music where you stand at one spot wiggeling your head with a constant smile. ;-)

So any more comments on the OP?

[JimmyM]

Buttkickers are to subs what massage chairs are to a Swedish massage with happy ending.

I have heard of dudes using subs to get that feeling back when using in ears. I think Justin Meldal-Johnsen was using one with NIN for that reason on a tour where they weren't using backline. But nowadays, so many bands run their PA subs so hot that you really don't need it in a small joint. I'd be a little concerned about a separate sub interfering with the PA and making your sound all sub and no top, but I have heard of it done successfully, so if you can borrow a sub first, maybe give it a shot.

[Adam Bomb]

Originally Posted by Ric5

Is it wacked to use a subwoofer instead of a cabinet?

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Yep then you get no mids and no highs ... Subs cutoff at 80 to 100hz ... if you are lucky maybe 150 to 200hz.

Originally Posted by SnorLars

Tnx Ric. I was hoping to get some mids and highs through the inear.

This is a slightly different issue, but what about a sub with a guitar cab on top in a biamped system? Could that possibly work? Already using a biamped rig that is a guitar cab on top of a 115 bass cab that sounds great.

Not trying to hijack! Just trying not to start such a similar new thread. OP, I have never tried what you propose, but if it is only for your benefit, why not try it?

--Bomb

[Mike in Chicago]

Or, you could just get 2 4x10's, and that'll take care of anything.

Why does everyone have to over think **** so much?

[Adam Bomb]

Originally Posted by Mike in Chicago

Or, you could just get 2 4x10's, and that'll take care of anything.

Why does everyone have to over think **** so much?

S'fun!

--Bomb

[FretFree]

Originally Posted by pedroims

Do you plug it to your cab or to the kick drum? I was thinking that it may be good idea to plug it to the kickdrum

Ah...

I have a dedicated mix feeding the BK. Bass, kick, floor tom.

[dog1]

I once plugged my NeoPak through a sub, just for kicks, with no other cab. It sucked.

[T-Bird]

Hi.

Originally Posted by SnorLars

So any more comments on the OP?

Creates more problems than it solves.

Get powerful enough butt-kicker and You'll get all the shakes you'd want.

Originally Posted by Mike in Chicago

Or, you could just get 2 4x10's, and that'll take care of anything.

Why does everyone have to over think **** so much?

Why would the band use both in-ears and back-line?
Perhaps throw in some wedges there just in case as well?
Perhaps some side-fills for a good measure while You're at it?

Regards
Sam