Walter Woods/Shroeder? 1215L

[rollopizza]

Anybody out there have this set up or something similiar? how does it sound? can the WWoods make the Neo's Speakers thump?

Thanks
rp

[KJung]

There is no such thing as a 'neo speaker' sound. Every cab with a neo driver sounds different... just like every cab with a traditional magnet speaker sounds different.

That being said, I did a bunch of gigs with a Schroeder 1212L and Walter Woods, and it sounded pretty darn good.

I guess the only thing I would say is to avoid the 'mismatched' driver cabs. Jorg just crams different sized drivers in the same box (i.e., not in differently tuned compartments), and strange things happen. I would stick to the new BMF cabs (and even with them, only if you like 'burp and punch', versus low end fat).

IMO!

[rollopizza]

When I mention the word Neo, Epifani's-UL series, I meant to say the newer light weight speakers. I remember distinctly hanging out with my good friend JAZ, we A/B'd the Original Epi 1x12 and the ULx12 and noticed a bigger, rounder bottom in the original speakers ( I think they were B&C's). It was a little heavier cab (T-112) and sounded better to us. I know there have been advancements in the Light weight speaker category, AKA...NEO's. That particular evening left us both with a view, idea and difference of the speakers. Hence the term Neo "sound". Perhaps the difference was the box construction, type of wood used and internal cavity.

However, I'm interested in how the Schroeder sounds with the WWoods. I tried out a variety of cabs with my WW's and have met success and quite frankly dissapointments. Not every Cab sounds good with the WW's. Not sure why? Perhaps the electronics in the woods? But my latest venture has led me to believe that NEO's and the WW's combinations I've used have not been what I'm used to hearing.

I can see your point in using mismatched drivers in the same cab.

I've been looking for a 15" cab that sounds good with the WW's and noticed that Schro makes one in variety of combinations.

The plus is in the weight category. 40lbs for a 15x12 and horn sounds mighty tempting.

Thanks Ken for your input.

rp

[KJung]

Originally Posted by rollopizza

When I mention the word Neo, Epifani's-UL series, I meant to say the newer light weight speakers. I remember distinctly hanging out with my good friend JAZ, we A/B'd the Original Epi 1x12 and the ULx12 and noticed a bigger, rounder bottom in the original speakers ( I think they were B&C's). It was a little heavier cab (T-112) and sounded better to us. I know there have been advancements in the Light weight speaker category, AKA...NEO's. That particular evening left us both with a view, idea and difference of the speakers. Hence the term Neo "sound". Perhaps the difference was the box construction, type of wood used and internal cavity.

However, I'm interested in how the Schroeder sounds with the WWoods. I tried out a variety of cabs with my WW's and have met success and quite frankly dissapointments. Not every Cab sounds good with the WW's. Not sure why? Perhaps the electronics in the woods? But my latest venture has led me to believe that NEO's and the WW's combinations I've used have not been what I'm used to hearing.

I can see your point in using mismatched drivers in the same cab.

I've been looking for a 15" cab that sounds good with the WW's and noticed that Schro makes one in variety of combinations.

The plus is in the weight category. 40lbs for a 15x12 and horn sounds mighty tempting.

Thanks Ken for your input.

rp

The UL's and the T's sound very different, but I wouldn't necessarily attribute that to the type of driver. I always liked the T's at home versus the UL's, but on the gig, the tighter voicing of the UL's really speaks to me (the original UL's were B&C Neo's... they switched to Eminence Neo's a couple of years ago due to cost and availability.. they sound good too!). (Edit: I was never happy with any Walter Woods/Epi combination though... Bergantino is the thing with Walters!)

I'm with you on the Walter Woods. I used a variety of Walter's for almost 15 years as my primary gigging amps. The new batch of SMPS amps, quite frankly, spank the Walters all over the place (IMO) regarding low end punch. I find I have much more punch and volume with my 500 watt Markbass F1 than I ever had with my 1200 watt Walter.

If I was playing DB, it would be a different story (the Walter's are magic, and for doublers, the sound fine on EB also). However, things have changed a LOT over the past 5 years, and some of the heads by Markbass, Genz Benz, TC Electronics, etc. are simply stunning, and under $1,000 new. The TecAmp stuff is a bit more pricey, and even more amazing if you like it pure and clean.

Again, on the Schroe's.... the Walter is a nice matchup for them, and I had good luck with the 115L_ and 1212L. I would think the BMF212 or BMF215 would sound great with an Ultra, again if you liked your tone 'tight and bright'.

The Bergantino HT line of cabs KIILLS with the Walter also IMO!

[rollopizza]

How about Markbass cabs? Have you tried them with the WW's? They just came out with a NewYork 1x12 and a 1x15.

rp

[KJung]

Originally Posted by rollopizza

How about Markbass cabs? Have you tried them with the WW's? They just came out with a NewYork 1x12 and a 1x15.

rp

Love the heads... not a fan of the cabs. IMO.

Edit: If you are looking for small and light, you might want to check out the Bergantino AE112. Also, the Epifani PS cabs (which replaced the T/NYC Epi's) are MUCH better than the old T's, and kind of sit right between the more upper mid present and modern UL's and the boomy, wide T's.. They punch like crazy, they aren't that heavy, they are REALLY good deals pricewise, and they would seem to match up to the Walter's very well (those heads need help in the low mids, and the PS cabs are ALL about the low mids). Highly recommended. The 112 is GREAT sounding, and very reasonable in price and weight!

[ajax1]

Has anyone tried the BMF 1215 cab? I am curious how it, or the BMF series in general sound? I am happy with the one I recently bought. Good punch and I can get a good rumble bottom with my SVT. Haven't noticed any problems with mis-matched drivers, but then other ears may not agree. What is the experience of other BMF owners?

thanks

[rollopizza]

Cool I will. I mainly play Electric but do double on Acoustic, electric and somtimes Baby Bass. That's why i was looking into the Schroe. Funky electric, nice low/mid range for the Acoustic and Thumping/tubby lows for the Tumbao tone on the Baby bass. I'll check out the Berg.

rp

[KJung]

Originally Posted by ajax1

Has anyone tried the BMF 1215 cab? I am curious how it, or the BMF series in general sound?

thanks

While technically not a BMF, I have a clip up of my 115L+ (which is basically the single speaker version of the BMF 215). It sound great IF you have a head with the capability of softening the mids and pumping up the low end (like the Markbass heads).

You will find the clip on my YouTube channel... with the F1 and my Alleva-Coppolo LG5. It is an aggressive, tight, punchy, LOUD cab.. but it won't shake the ashtrays... it is all about mid punch and articulation IMO!

[rollopizza]

How do you like your BMF 1215? how's the weight?

rp

[ajax1]

I like the BMF 1215 quite a bit. It is solid/well made. Like I said, great punchy sound and I can dial in a strong, loud rumble growly bottom with my head. Weight is one of the things that attracted me ... 43 lbs. is great and the cab size is easy to handle and move; I still use a hand truck or dolly as my aging back needs backup support.

hope that helps

[Washishimi]

I've got the 410BMF, and it is just awesome. Smooth, loud, and punchy. I've also got a 101215BMF on the way which I'm pretty excited about. I'll let you know how that one goes when I get it.

[rollopizza]

Thank You

rp