What 4x10 should I look into?

richspillberg · #1 06-01-2011, 12:18 PM

So my original plan was to get two more Ernie Ball Audiophile HD-410s so I could have all four running at 8 ohms each to bring it down to two ohms. The HD 410s are near extinct so I'm looking elsewhere. What do you guys recommend? I'd like something comparable to the HD 410.

BigOldHarry · #2 06-01-2011, 12:20 PM

Four 4x10s??

yikes!

bassguppy · #3 06-01-2011, 12:23 PM

what are you using for a head?

inate_hex · #4 06-01-2011, 12:25 PM

how are you wiring them - from one head?

brendanbassist · #5 06-01-2011, 12:26 PM

Why would you need that many speakers?!

richspillberg · #6 06-01-2011, 12:26 PM

I'm using the Mesa 400+. I have a tech hooking them up for me.

inate_hex · #7 06-01-2011, 12:33 PM

can that be done? i thought 2 cabinets from 0ne output would equal 16 ohms - 8 ohms + 8 ohms. so if you have 4 8 ohm cabs - 2 running from each output the total impedance would be back where you started at 8 ohms. 16/2.

richspillberg · #8 06-01-2011, 12:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by inate_hex

can that be done? i thought 2 cabinets from 0ne output would equal 16 ohms - 8 ohms + 8 ohms. so if you have 4 8 ohm cabs - 2 running from each output the total impedance would be back where you started at 8 ohms. 16/2.

I was under the assumption that it would bring it down to 4 ohms on each side for a total of 2 ohms.

father of fires · #9 06-01-2011, 12:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by richspillberg

I was under the assumption that it would bring it down to 4 ohms on each side for a total of 2 ohms.

Correct!

father of fires · #10 06-01-2011, 12:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by inate_hex

can that be done? i thought 2 cabinets from 0ne output would equal 16 ohms - 8 ohms + 8 ohms. so if you have 4 8 ohm cabs - 2 running from each output the total impedance would be back where you started at 8 ohms. 16/2.

Only if the cabs were wired in Series. (Not very likely though)

Stingray5 · #11 06-01-2011, 12:50 PM

from the 400+ manual:

"SPEAKER JACKS
Two 8-ohm, two 4-ohm and 2-ohm speaker jacks are provided on the Bass 400 Plus. The
amp will produce its full power at all of these impedances, provided that the total
impedance of your speaker cabinets is matched to the output(s) used. (Slight mismatches
are not a major problem, but they will cause slightly lower output and may shorten tube
life.) When using more than one speaker cabinet, remember that the total load impedance
goes down as more cabinets are connected. For example, if you use one 8-ohm speaker
cabinet, use one of the 8-ohm jacks. But if you use two 8-ohm cabinets, they will be
operating in parallel and the total load will be 4 ohms. Therefore, plug each cabinet into a
4-ohm jack. If you want to use two 2x15 cabinets where each cabinet is rated at 4 ohms
(which is how Boogie 2X15’s are wired), connect both cabinets to the 2-ohm Jacks
provided."

So are you the dude from Wargasm?

inate_hex · #12 06-01-2011, 12:57 PM

2 8ohm cabs wired in SERIES = 16ohms
if you are using 2 outputs from your head then each output will "see" a 16ohm load and therfore bring your impedence to 8ohms!
2 16ohm loads wired in PARALLEL = 8 OHMS

richspillberg · #13 06-01-2011, 01:25 PM

So anybody have any recommendations for this particular setup? And..to the guy that asked if I was Rich from Wargasm..I'm not but we live right near them and it's kind of an inside joke I used to like them a lot when I was younger and I just the name for my e-mail.

**cheezewiz** · #14 06-01-2011, 02:01 PM

If you really need to use 16-10's, the easiest way would probably be two 8-10 "fridges".

inate_hex · #15 06-01-2011, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by cheezewiz

If you really need to use 16-10's, the easiest way would probably be two 8-10 "fridges".

I agree. 2 8x10 cabs would be the easiest solution, and because your amp goes down to 2 ohms you could use 16 ohm, 8 ohm and 4 ohm cabs no probs. Are you playing some pretty big venues?
i thought about getting an 8x10 cab but I would struggle to get it into my car

BruceBass3901 · #16 06-01-2011, 02:34 PM

Perhaps 4 4x10s is easier to move as they can be 'broken down' when an 8x10 cannot?

Alex1984 · #17 06-01-2011, 03:58 PM

Mesa Boogie Diesel 410 or RoadReady 410. But do you really need that much volume?

Alex1984 · #18 06-01-2011, 04:02 PM

SWR Goliath and D410XLTs should be good too.

IWishIWasBlank · #19 06-01-2011, 04:12 PM

I'd have to say the 4x10's are much more portable overall. Like it's already been said, easier to pack 4 4x10's than 2 8x10's, maybe there's no room in the car, etc. In the band I was in, it would have been easier to have the two 8x10's just because everything went into one giant gig truck, and that's one less puzzle piece you had to jam into the load and try to keep from falling off halfway back home.

Bass_Pounder · #20 06-02-2011, 08:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by inate_hex

can that be done? i thought 2 cabinets from 0ne output would equal 16 ohms - 8 ohms + 8 ohms. so if you have 4 8 ohm cabs - 2 running from each output the total impedance would be back where you started at 8 ohms. 16/2.

Quote:

Originally Posted by inate_hex

2 8ohm cabs wired in SERIES = 16ohms
if you are using 2 outputs from your head then each output will "see" a 16ohm load and therfore bring your impedence to 8ohms!
2 16ohm loads wired in PARALLEL = 8 OHMS

Why are you insisting that hooking 2 cabs to each other is SERIES ?

IT IS NOT

It does not matter if you hook cabs to the head, or "daisey chain" them, it is still a parallel connection.

Series connections are RARE, and usually require a specially made cable.

In this posters situation, running a cable from each of the heads outputs to one 4X10, then running a cable from each of the 4X10's to another 4X10 will give him a 2 ohm load.