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09-01-2011, 04:40 PM
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if you were using distortion, I know...why distortion? But if you were, what is better 4x10 or 1 large 15 or 18? |
09-01-2011, 04:43 PM
| | | | Size does not matter.. Only if it is painted red with the blood of a goat. |
09-01-2011, 04:45 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Colorado Springs, Colorado | | | 410. 18 would probably sound too muddy.
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09-01-2011, 04:46 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: NorCal | | | PJP's Suitcase with 5's perfect combo for metal with distortion. |
09-01-2011, 04:47 PM
|  | that video LIES | | Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Northern California | | | You will get many different opinions on this, which should explain clearly that it is very much a matter of opinion. To be nice, I'll give mine: I don't often use full-on distortion, maybe a touch of OD- but I'd think 10s *might* reproduce said tones w/better clarity. I don't care for mud on the low end, but maybe you do- so your best course might be to try a lot of different setups & decide for yourself. You could also give an example of an artist or tune that captures the sound you're after, and work on finding out what gear was used.
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09-01-2011, 04:54 PM
| | | | There is absolutely no tonal difference that can be attributed to speaker size across the board.
go play through a bunch of cabinets, and pick the one that sounds the best to you. |
09-01-2011, 05:05 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Vancouver | | | I think it's up to you, I'd feel it's more dependent on the head than anything. If possible, get a head w/ a side-chain FX loop and put through both a clean and dirty signal. |
09-01-2011, 06:40 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: South Florida | | +1 on painting it with the blood of a goat. After that you are on your own.........................Have fun.....This is music after-all and doing it on your own is what its all about....  |
09-01-2011, 06:52 PM
|  | Supporting Member | | Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Vandalia, Ohio | | | Something that will let the midrange shine through, because your not going to cut through on the lows. Embrace the middle range in metal. \m/ \m/. I use a 212 and a 210 cab at 4 ohms, but mainly I am mic'd or DI'd anyway. They become my monitors on stage. |
09-01-2011, 06:56 PM
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09-01-2011, 07:02 PM
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It's for metal so it doesn't really matter you're going to mudd it up with your black painted bass and budget pedals and get mixed out of it anyway. |
09-01-2011, 07:19 PM
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09-01-2011, 07:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Papa Dangerous Size does not matter.. Only if it is painted red with the blood of a goat. | +1 |
09-01-2011, 07:20 PM
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Originally Posted by bassteban You will get many different opinions on this, which should explain clearly that it is very much a matter of opinion. To be nice, I'll give mine: I don't often use full-on distortion, maybe a touch of OD- but I'd think 10s *might* reproduce said tones w/better clarity. I don't care for mud on the low end, but maybe you do- so your best course might be to try a lot of different setups & decide for yourself. You could also give an example of an artist or tune that captures the sound you're after, and work on finding out what gear was used. | +1
8x10 svt would be my choice |
09-01-2011, 07:22 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: northeast Ohio | | | What style of metal? Some doom bands like the fuzzy low thunder without much top end. Then a 15 or 18 would be ok. If you want bite though 10s are it. I play with 12s, they give you the best sound for distortion- good lows and mids with just enough highs. After all, thats why most guitar cabs have 12s.
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09-01-2011, 07:29 PM
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Originally Posted by runmikeyrun What style of metal? Some doom bands like the fuzzy low thunder without much top end. Then a 15 or 18 would be ok. If you want bite though 10s are it. I play with 12s, they give you the best sound for distortion- good lows and mids with just enough highs. After all, thats why most guitar cabs have 12s. | That's engineering by looks, Mikey. You can get speakers in all sizes to do whatever you need.
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09-01-2011, 08:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Zoa There is absolutely no tonal difference that can be attributed to speaker size across the board. | I see this all of the time and disagree. I've never experienced a 15" that delivers anything remotely resembling the punch of say, a Mesa PH 4x10 or SWR G3. Maybe there is some science involved that I am not aware of, but I am sure that many here on TB can support the punchiness of a 10's rig. That's why people use 'em.
Someone please find me a 15" punch machine, or even 2x12 that competes.
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09-01-2011, 08:28 PM
|  | Registered User | | Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: 48313 | | | I saw a bassist in a local metal band using a Mesa 400+ and a 4x12 Mesa guitar cab, and it was brutal. No idea what drivers he was using, but the tone was fantastic.
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09-01-2011, 08:32 PM
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Originally Posted by chaosMK I see this all of the time and disagree. I've never experienced a 15" that delivers anything remotely resembling the punch of say, a Mesa 4x10 or SWR G3. Maybe there is some science involved that I am not aware of, but I am sure many can support the punchiness of a 10's rig. That's why people use 'em.
Someone please find me a 15" punch machine, or even 2x12 that competes. | I'm not trying to be a prick, but this is utterly and totally wrong. Go and read the stickies, or any of the big threads about speaker size. There are posts written in there by audio scientists and cabinet designers, and they will all tell you that the size of the speaker has nothing to do with tone. |
09-01-2011, 08:40 PM
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Originally Posted by aspersions PJP's Suitcase with 5's perfect combo for metal with distortion. | Go the briefcase. It shreds. And if you turn it up loud enough has its own in built distortion.
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