what cabinet should I get?

zarigunn · #1 06-07-2010, 07:27 AM

Hello, I 'm searching for a new cabinet but I really don 't know what to buy.
Here is some information about my needs:

What type of bass you play? rickenbacker 4003

Style of music you play? stoner rock

How many people are in the band? 4

How loud do you get? extremely loud

What type of venues do you play? 100/1000 people

Do you also run DI? NO !!!!

What type of amp do you have? carlsbro cs-100-tc
(almost the same as a marshall superbass MK-II or a ampeg v-4B but a little bit louder)

What can you physically carry? max. 60kg

What can you financially afford? max. 800€

thanx.

Wes Whitmore · #2 06-07-2010, 07:44 AM

I like the format of the Q/A, but if you truly play for 1000 people, then you need a DI or a Mic'd cab through the PA...what I send to the house is probably more important than what cab I have on stage as a monitor.

I don't find it easy to recommend cabinets since everyone likes something different. I'm digging my Neo GK 212 and Ampeg 410HLF a lot though. The GK212 is a lot easier to get down the stairs.

waleross · #3 06-07-2010, 08:00 AM

+1 on micing your rig but extremely loud might mean an 810E or at least the 410HLF.

JimmyM · #4 06-07-2010, 08:03 AM

you need as big a cab as you can get. forget the weight limit. stick with a weight limit and you won't get a big enough cab to do the job. i would get an 810.

hdracer · #5 06-07-2010, 08:12 AM

Did you say Superbass but louder? How about 4 12's & 4 15's? The only problem is it doesn't fit in your budget.

bassman1185 · #6 06-07-2010, 08:22 AM

Find as many cheap old giant cabs as you can. For stoner rock 15s seem to be the favored speaker, although a 2x15 cab only has about the same speaker area as a 4x10. Get something with decent castors and you won't need to worry so much about weight. In fact, an 8x10 or similar cab with tilt-back wheels is WAY easier to move around than a 4x10 without wheels.

Keep an eye on the classifieds in your area. I just picked up an old Silvertone 200 watt head with a 2x15+2x12 cab for $75 on craigslist.

i_got_a_mohawk · #7 06-07-2010, 08:30 AM

810 or 215. Either of which can be picked up used easily enough in that price range.

(some older peavey 215s are awesome)

Also, I'd try and get past the weight limit or push it up a little. At least with a bigger cab they are often tilt and roll or whatnot.

Son of Bovril · #8 06-07-2010, 08:41 AM

I think you'll find it difficult to get a big enough cab for a 1000 ppl show without PA support that is under 60kg!

my suggestion is: get a PA and then get as small a cab as still allows you to hear yourself onstage.

but honestly if you are playing to 1000 ppl you probably need at least an 810 if you are playing without PA support

ThunderousFunk · #9 06-07-2010, 09:41 AM

Basson 810!!! but it's 230lbs., and needs lots o'power!

chokeslam512 · #10 06-07-2010, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by hdracer

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zarigunn · #11 06-07-2010, 11:25 AM

Ow, i did buy my own mic long time ago,
Those PA guys of these days always want DI but I tell them to **** of then you know ...
I want the sound of my amp, not the sound of the DI

Maybe my information wasn 't good enough.
And yes, I don 't lie

but ist from 100 to 1000.
1000 is already a big succes, believe me.
I use the mic before my cabinet.
At the moment I use a marshall mbc-410, but that 's far not good enough.

zarigunn · #12 06-07-2010, 11:34 AM

ow, the reason extremely loud =>
the guitar player plays thru a orange rockerverb with a '60 guitar cab perfectly matching.
Believe me, Its verry loud...
And I need to cut thru that.
(I 'm happy that scientist invented the earplugs)

mcapote · #13 06-07-2010, 11:43 AM

how good are you at building? the fEarful 15/15/6/6 in the FAQ would probably fit your bill nice. im contemplating a 15/15/6 mod for myself right now. it will blow away any 4 x 10 ive heard.

RickenBoogie · #14 06-07-2010, 06:04 PM

How about another mbc-410? Two of the same is always more than twice as good.

TheNightLife · #15 06-07-2010, 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by RickenBoogie

How about another mbc-410? Two of the same is always more than twice as good.

this seems to be the most logical to me aswell. i would either buy another mbc-410 or get an 810 cab. either way i would tell the guitarist to turn it down too. if hes way too loud then its killing the mix of your band. also it may just be me but pissing off sound guys isnt a good idea. they can really screw you over in the long run lol ive seen sound guys mix instruments out of the mix completly cause the person was an ass to them. lol i would do it.

Rob Lewis · #16 06-07-2010, 06:28 PM

Another volume war, eh? Don'tcha know: noise annoys...

Thunderthumbs73 · #17 06-07-2010, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by zarigunn

Hello, I 'm searching for a new cabinet but I really don 't know what to buy.
Here is some information about my needs:

What type of bass you play? rickenbacker 4003

Style of music you play? stoner rock

How many people are in the band? 4

How loud do you get? extremely loud

What type of venues do you play? 100/1000 people

Do you also run DI? NO !!!!

What type of amp do you have? carlsbro cs-100-tc
(almost the same as a marshall superbass MK-II or a ampeg v-4B but a little bit louder)

What can you physically carry? max. 60kg

What can you financially afford? max. 800€

thanx.

I would ask if you are in a band in which there is a PA for vocals, and is also otherwise appropriate for the types of venues in which you are playing. If you want to be heard (and I mean by more than just by you), you should use DI and allow some portion of your signal to go into the house sound/mains.

It's two separate things: What amp/cab allows you to best hear yourself in the context of the band on stage does not necessarily have anything to what will allow the *audience* to best hear you (offstage) in the context of the band. A DI signal in many places is critical/essential to allow the *audience* to best hear you.

zarigunn · #18 06-08-2010, 03:08 AM

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Originally Posted by RickenBoogie

How about another mbc-410? Two of the same is always more than twice as good.

I only have a minimum of 4 ohm output.
If I get another mbc-410 that will give 2 ohm. chears

tom once dead · #19 06-08-2010, 03:16 AM

also on the MBC, its not a great cab. Definately look used for some big old cabs.

zarigunn · #20 06-08-2010, 03:18 AM

Hmmm, If he guitar player turns down his volume, than we have the problem with the drummer.
At the repetition place it isn 't reallyt big, and the drum is pretty big.
That meens; drum = loud, guitar player want to be heard.
I 've been heard, okay. But believe me. marshall mbc-410 is not the cab you want.
It is good in the beginning. after a while its a peace of crap.
I can get louder as the guitar and drums but the sound is really bad and its not the head.
I more want something with really low bass en fat growl.
something like the melvins=> history of a bad man/kyuss all the way.
Not exactly the same but just to give an example.
I 'm thinking already long time about a cabinet but really don 't find one that will fit me, you know. The vocals also play thru a GATT PA, but thats only for the vocals.
And the reason why I really hate DI:
I do bi amping, the reason why I have a twin channel head.
I bi-amp with one head. sounds crazy yes. but it allows me to distort my highs and keep my lows etc...
Okay here is the problem: PA guys are simply to lame to understand how it works to have 2 DI at 1 instrument
and if i switch pickup, once i almost blow the PA speakers cous he did put up my volume op my treb pickup all the way.
It 's really lame if you ' re doing a gig and it does go really good till the PA guy f*cks it up :/