What happened to the old Schroeder cabs?

hifibass · #1 10-02-2011, 05:01 PM

I'm most likely way late to the party with this question but what happened to the Schroeder cabs with the angled baffle and speaker behind the front speaker? That seemed to be their claim to fame and made a lot of sense, at least to me.

MichaelVee · #2 10-02-2011, 05:38 PM

Had not been to Jorg's site in a while- and sure enough, all his current cabs are flat baffle, straightforward ported cabs now. How about that!

SactoBass · #3 10-02-2011, 05:46 PM

As Geddy says in Tom Sawyer:

"...no changes are permanent, but change is."

bongomania · #4 10-02-2011, 06:01 PM

They also fell off the TB hype machine a couple years ago, and haven't climbed back on yet. I suppose the crappy economy, combined with trying to produce enough units for the major retailers, might have caused Jorg to "revert" to cab styles that are less labor-intensive (i.e. less costly to make) than the angled-baffle ones. Just a guess.

Lowbrow · #5 10-02-2011, 06:12 PM

Just sold one here yesterday. A 1212R. Really loud, efficient and compact - I have a custom 24" 15L cab that's a forever keeper.

seamonkey · #6 10-02-2011, 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by hifibass

I'm most likely way late to the party with this question but what happened to the Schroeder cabs with the angled baffle and speaker behind the front speaker? That seemed to be their claim to fame and made a lot of sense, at least to me.

"made a lot of sense" ?

It made no sense. The hint was he was the only one making them. I guess this is why some people buy things like this. To them it makes some sense, but there's not measurements from the manufacturer to back up the design.

Looks like he's learned and moved on. It looks like some manufacturers actually do learn. That's a good thing!

Still no measurements on his site. Some consumers never learn.

Lowbrow · #7 10-03-2011, 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by seamonkey

"made a lot of sense" ?

It made no sense. The hint was he was the only one making them. I guess this is why some people buy things like this. To them it makes some sense, but there's not measurements from the manufacturer to back up the design.

Looks like he's learned and moved on. It looks like some manufacturers actually do learn. That's a good thing!

Still no measurements on his site. Some consumers never learn.

Jorg's stated goal in making these cabs was to create a 'one-trip' solution, meaning they would allow a gigging bassist to carry all the speaker muscle he or she needed in just one trip. As I see it, it's bassists like me, who still insisted on buying a second Schroeder cab to make up a rig, who thwarted that goal. I think Schoeder made a savvy design correction based on consumer demand rather than on the inadequacy of the slant-cab design.

Son of Bovril · #8 10-03-2011, 09:08 AM

I still have one of his original 310212 cabs, it's a beast but it has the signature early schroeder mid hump tone and rolled off lows which cuts through on stage but is not the tone I am after right now, although I will still gig it on occasion but I have a markbass stack provided for me often nowadays and I'm trying to move over to IEM to reduce my gear carrying and for more consistent tone across the stage as I move around quite a lot

also this cab did come with some wiring issues which I had to fix myself and even so, the design of the cab itself leads to unbalanced power distribution between the individual speakers but I can at least say that it is not apparent when playing the cab

BurningSkies · #9 10-03-2011, 09:18 AM

I have a 1212 from before the (R) and (L) designations and its always been a great cab and does what it was advertised to do. If I were going somewhere and we had very little space for my real rig and I knew we had good PA support, I would use it.

That said, the cab is a sledgehammer tonally. that mid-bump was brutal at loud volumes for prolonged play times. It makes you hearable on stage, but isn't a room filler.

My 1212 is currently in use. As a keyboard cab in my band.

hifibass · #10 10-03-2011, 03:10 PM

Tech also made a version of this double baffle design before Schroeder if I'm not mistaken. I saw one for sale on TB a while back.

hifibass · #11 10-03-2011, 03:21 PM

As you can see from the link, Schroeder wasn't the only mfgr with this idea. Tech Soundsystems introduced theirs 17 years ago!

FS/FT: Tech Soundsystems 4x12 in Portland

bongomania · #12 10-03-2011, 03:41 PM

Well I mean if you want to look at it that way, angled-baffle cabs have been around since the 1960's. They fell out of favor because the results are not what most cab consumers want. There are enough people that do want it for there to be a market and some devoted fans... but the percentages are small. The whole reason Jorg was able to make something "new" of it was the advent of neo speakers.

juggernaut1 · #13 10-03-2011, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Lowbrow

Jorg's stated goal in making these cabs was to create a 'one-trip' solution, meaning they would allow a gigging bassist to carry all the speaker muscle he or she needed in just one trip. As I see it, it's bassists like me, who still insisted on buying a second Schroeder cab to make up a rig, who thwarted that goal. I think Schoeder made a savvy design correction based on consumer demand rather than on the inadequacy of the slant-cab design.

My 410 does what Jorg said it would do. Sounds great and is a lotta muscle, all by itself. I play in a LOUD band with no problems being heard.

::::BASSIST:::: · #14 10-03-2011, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Lowbrow

Jorg's stated goal in making these cabs was to create a 'one-trip' solution, meaning they would allow a gigging bassist to carry all the speaker muscle he or she needed in just one trip. As I see it, it's bassists like me, who still insisted on buying a second Schroeder cab to make up a rig, who thwarted that goal. I think Schoeder made a savvy design correction based on consumer demand rather than on the inadequacy of the slant-cab design.

I've used a number of schroeders (check my profile) including a 1212R and found them very loud and portable. However, as mentioned the tone is like a sledgehammer. Great for cutting thru a very dense band mix, but the low-mids were just untameable from my experience. As far as one trip load in cabs, that are much more even in tone, there are a number of choices available these days such as the berg 212 or my cab which is a fibreglass 15/6 which is 39LBS very LOUD and very full sounding.