What would be the smallest , loudest speaker cabinet

[fretno]

is it a Orange isobaric 2x10 , a ACME Low B-1 , a Bag End 1x10 etc etc , going for small here so a 20x20x20" 1x12 may be on the big side . Your thoughts ?

[KJung]

Two ways to answer this.... max SPL (how loud will it get with maximum power), or SPL (how loud will it get per watt).

A lot of this has to do with the voicing of the cab, and the quality of the driver. For example, the Acme B-1 is probably the deepest, fullest sounding small cab, but is both low SPL (needs a bit of wattage to really start cranking) and relatively low max SPL (the driver doesn't seem to have the capability of really cranking high volumes with all that low end).

Given you want it small, and I assumer relatively lightweight, the two 'top of the pack' small light cabs regarding max SPL are:

1) Schroeder 115L+... only 30 pounds, within your size parameters... massive SPL (loud per watt) and massive max SPL (can do a large, loud gig), BUT, that combination of high volume per watt and high absolute volume capability is achieved by a very high roll-off of the low end (so, bright, punchy, grindy). 4ohms, so a micro head will get it pumping.

2) Audiokinesis Thunder Child.... 34 pounds, 14 by 14 by 21 I think... low SPL but high max SPL and a very full, deep voice... quite amazing if you can get 500 or so watts into it (which is zero issue with most micro heads given its 4ohm nominal impedance. Full and deep, but with that 'super 3012LF driver and the large, low crossover horn, it gives you all three of the magic equation... low, loud, and deep.

I describe the 115L+ as sounding like a REALLY loud small cab. I describe the Thunder Child as sounding like a much bigger cab that happens to be small.

I have clips of both of these very nice cabs on my Youtube channel (link in my signature).

[Stanley Design]

EA NL210 maybe?

Configuration: 2x10
Woofer: Proprietary EA Kevlar Neodymium woofers
Tweeter: 1" Phenolic Compression Driver
Frequency Response: 45Hz to 16kHz
Sensitivity: 100dB @ 1m
Sound Pressure: 127dB @ 1m
Power Handling: 500 watts
Impedance: 8 or 4 ohms
Connection Type: Two Speakon connectors
Handle: Two integrated custom steel handles
Size: 22.5"H x 17"W x 15"D
Weight: 37 lbs

[yawametoo]

IDK man, I think those small mark bass combos are amazing. They have a couple different units, a 12 inch, 12nch with tweeter, and a minimark 2 x 6inch combo.

I have always wanted to get one of these:
http://www.guitarcenter.com/Markbass...95-i1395930.gc

They are a little pricey though.

[KJung]

Originally Posted by Stanley Design

EA NL210 maybe?

Configuration: 2x10
Woofer: Proprietary EA Kevlar Neodymium woofers
Tweeter: 1" Phenolic Compression Driver
Frequency Response: 45Hz to 16kHz
Sensitivity: 100dB @ 1m
Sound Pressure: 127dB @ 1m
Power Handling: 500 watts
Impedance: 8 or 4 ohms
Connection Type: Two Speakon connectors
Handle: Two integrated custom steel handles
Size: 22.5"H x 17"W x 15"D
Weight: 37 lbs

No longer on the market... nice cab, but some reliability problems with those IMO and painfully IME.

[Balog]

KJung: does Audiokinesis still make the Thunderchild? I don't see it listed on their website.

[KJung]

Originally Posted by Balog

KJung: does Audiokinesis still make the Thunderchild? I don't see it listed on their website.

Actually, they just started production, and the website has not kept up. They have been shipping for about a month now. I have a mega thread up on the site if you do a search, and Duke has participated with lots of spec's, comments, etc.

Wonderful little cab.. it isn't a 'sizzle monster' or anything... more like a 'better' Accugroove Tri112 or EA VL110... smoother, deeper, fatter, lighter, louder.. nice top end extension, but more organic and warm than bright and sizzly.

[Balog]

Thanks, I googled it and didn't get much, then posted, looked at the forum, and saw the megathread. /facepalm

[Mr. Foxen]

Need to look at volume displacement, which determines the max amount of air moved, I think the Kappalite 3012 has highest for a small driver. So the Acme with a custom one probably is the one to go for.

[Aaron_D]

The shuttle 6.0 2x10 combo is crazy loud for anything indoor that isnt a huge auditorium.

[fretno]

Originally Posted by KJung

Two ways to answer this.... max SPL (how loud will it get with maximum power), or SPL (how loud will it get per watt).

A lot of this has to do with the voicing of the cab, and the quality of the driver. For example, the Acme B-1 is probably the deepest, fullest sounding small cab, but is both low SPL (needs a bit of wattage to really start cranking) and relatively low max SPL (the driver doesn't seem to have the capability of really cranking high volumes with all that low end).

Given you want it small, and I assumer relatively lightweight, the two 'top of the pack' small light cabs regarding max SPL are:

1) Schroeder 115L+... only 30 pounds, within your size parameters... massive SPL (loud per watt) and massive max SPL (can do a large, loud gig), BUT, that combination of high volume per watt and high absolute volume capability is achieved by a very high roll-off of the low end (so, bright, punchy, grindy). 4ohms, so a micro head will get it pumping.

2) Audiokinesis Thunder Child.... 34 pounds, 14 by 14 by 21 I think... low SPL but high max SPL and a very full, deep voice... quite amazing if you can get 500 or so watts into it (which is zero issue with most micro heads given its 4ohm nominal impedance. Full and deep, but with that 'super 3012LF driver and the large, low crossover horn, it gives you all three of the magic equation... low, loud, and deep.

I describe the 115L+ as sounding like a REALLY loud small cab. I describe the Thunder Child as sounding like a much bigger cab that happens to be small.

I have clips of both of these very nice cabs on my Youtube channel (link in my signature).

Thanks man ! Where can I find these for sale ? I can't seem to locate the 115l+ anywhere . I use a GB 9.0 , currently use 2 x Bagend 110's and they are really great , not even sure if I need a change or could get smaller, really the only thing that worries me is the 9.0 is 900 watts and the cabs are what 200 watts each , do you think I'll damage these anytime soon ? Thanks again I appreciate it

[KJung]

Originally Posted by fretno

Thanks man ! Where can I find these for sale ? I can't seem to locate the 115l+ anywhere . I use a GB 9.0 , currently use 2 x Bagend 110's and they are really great , not even sure if I need a change or could get smaller, really the only thing that worries me is the 9.0 is 900 watts and the cabs are what 200 watts each , do you think I'll damage these anytime soon ? Thanks again I appreciate it

The 115L+ is available direct from Jorg Schroeder on his website. The Audikinesis is also directly available from the Audiokinesis website... not much info on there yet, since these are new.. but check out the mega thread on Talkbass.

The 9 will be no problem. It is a great head, and the the way Genz does their power spec, it isn't really the 900 watts that you think. Just use your ears and you should be find with the Bags, which are great cabs.

Your Bag End's sit kind of right between the Schroeder and the Audikinesis tone-wise. The Schroeder will be even tighter in the low end and much more aggressive in the upper mids. The Audiokinesis will go much deeper and be similarly smooth up top (with a bit more zing if you don't have the 'x' models).

Quite frankly, I'd just get a good cart and be happy! For those little cabs, the Kart-a-Bag Super 600 or even the smaller ConcordeIII would be great... two cabs stacked, the head in a bag and your stand on top, bass on your back, and you are there!

[billfitzmaurice]

Originally Posted by fretno

is it a Orange isobaric 2x10 , a ACME Low B-1 , a Bag End 1x10 etc etc , going for small here so a 20x20x20" 1x12 may be on the big side . Your thoughts ?

None of the above. Audio Kinesis and Barefaced would be two contenders.

[fretno]

Originally Posted by KJung

The 115L+ is available direct from Jorg Schroeder on his website. The Audikinesis is also directly available from the Audiokinesis website... not much info on there yet, since these are new.. but check out the mega thread on Talkbass.

The 9 will be no problem. It is a great head, and the the way Genz does their power spec, it isn't really the 900 watts that you think. Just use your ears and you should be find with the Bags, which are great cabs.

Your Bag End's sit kind of right between the Schroeder and the Audikinesis tone-wise. The Schroeder will be even tighter in the low end and much more aggressive in the upper mids. The Audiokinesis will go much deeper and be similarly smooth up top (with a bit more zing if you don't have the 'x' models).

Quite frankly, I'd just get a good cart and be happy! For those little cabs, the Kart-a-Bag Super 600 or even the smaller ConcordeIII would be great... two cabs stacked, the head in a bag and your stand on top, bass on your back, and you are there!

Thanks man very helpful ! I'm using mini ELF 10's I got from John here . Cheers

Originally Posted by billfitzmaurice

None of the above. Audio Kinesis and Barefaced would be two contenders.

I was hoping you'd chime in Bill and bring a few ideas , never heard of the Barefaced , and they look sweet , Thanks ! So the short list of 3 so far

Schroeder
Audikinesis
Barefaced

[fretno]

Originally Posted by Mr. Foxen

Need to look at volume displacement, which determines the max amount of air moved, I think the Kappalite 3012 has highest for a small driver. So the Acme with a custom one probably is the one to go for.

Originally Posted by Aaron_D

The shuttle 6.0 2x10 combo is crazy loud for anything indoor that isnt a huge auditorium.

Thanks Fellas !

[KJung]

Originally Posted by fretno

Thanks Fellas !

Barefaced is TBer AlexClaber's company in the UK. He makes very nice cabs that are also based on the Eminence LF drivers, using mid drivers to cover the upper mids versus the big horn in the Audiokinesis. Similar 'design concept' but different executions...

He also makes smaller 1 way cabs that use the Eminence HO drivers... so a bit closer to the Schroeder 115L+... tighter and brighter and still very high SPL... very small and light. Low Down Sound also does custom cabs based on the HO and ELF drivers with mid drivers.

[fretno]

Originally Posted by KJung

Barefaced is TBer AlexClaber's company in the UK. He makes very nice cabs that are also based on the Eminence LF drivers, using mid drivers to cover the upper mids versus the bit horn in the Audiokinesis. Similar 'design concept' but different executions...

He also makes smaller 1 way cabs that use the Eminence HO drivers... so a bit closer to the Schroeder 115L+... tighter and brighter and still very high SPL... very small and light. Low Down Sound also does custom cabs based on the HO and ELF drivers with mid drivers.

LDS did indeed come to mind and his prices are excellent . so back to my bags , not even sure of the wattage handling , I think they are 200 but I'm going to pop a driver out right now and see if it says anything .

[thudfromafar]

[KJung]

Originally Posted by thudfromafar

Spooky

[fretno]

hmm.. my BE's didn't say much but they have some beefy magnets on them I'd guess 200 watts seems about right .