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02-06-2011, 05:42 AM
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I have two Hartke XL2x10 which I'm quite satisfied with. Never played thru a single XL4x10. Any difference in tone?
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02-06-2011, 06:01 AM
|  | One lab accident away from being a supervillain | | Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Powder Springs, Ga | | | Really, it depends on the specific cabs, but for the most part they should sound the same. The difference is that 2 2x10s have the advantage of being modular plus you have the option of stackinng them verticaly. OTOH, 2 2x10s will typically cost more than 1 equivalent 4x10.
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02-06-2011, 06:10 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Sherman Texas | | | [quote=dbase;10402704]I have two Hartke XL2x10 which I'm quite satisfied with.QUOTE]
Don't change a thing if your happy with the tone. I also have a 2X10 and that little Hartke booms and has great tone. Haven't hauled my 8x10 in a very long time because of it.
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02-06-2011, 06:10 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Bristol, Connecticut, USA | | | There is nothing inherently different between putting four drivers in the same box or putting them in two boxes. |
02-06-2011, 06:12 AM
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02-06-2011, 06:12 AM
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Originally Posted by MuzikMan  There is nothing inherently different between putting four drivers in the same box or putting them in two boxes. | Unless the boxes are tuned differently. |
02-06-2011, 06:15 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Hockessin, Delaware, USA | | | Tonally, it depends on the specific cabs, as mentioned above. Other than that, I can name a few differences. Probably more expensive, you can stack them different ways, and they'd probably be easier to haul.
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02-06-2011, 06:31 AM
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02-06-2011, 06:51 AM
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02-06-2011, 07:02 AM
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Originally Posted by harmendebresser Judging from your picture there, you will hear it when you place them both on the ground (instead of piled up together). Any difference? In theory I'd say your setup would sound more spread out, but slightly less boomy then when they're both on the floor. | Actually, I believe the opposite would happen.
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02-06-2011, 07:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Zanpa The difference is about 1 trip to the parking lot. | Yup. |
02-06-2011, 07:14 AM
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Originally Posted by dbase I have two Hartke XL2x10 which I'm quite satisfied with. Never played thru a single XL4x10. Any difference in tone? | Lay one of your Hartke's on it's side and stack the other on top.
That should give you a idea of how a standard 410 loaded with your speakers will sound.
It'll feel to have alittle more lows with alot less clarity. I believe it was BillF here on the forum that said, the vertical 410 still has the same low end of a standard 410, it's that the vertical has the speakers up where your also hearing all the mids and highs, their not just blowing past your knees as they can with a standard 410 configuration. |
02-06-2011, 07:27 AM
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Originally Posted by DerHoggz Unless the boxes are tuned differently. | That would not qualify as an inherent difference.  |
02-06-2011, 07:36 AM
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Originally Posted by PSPookie Actually, I believe the opposite would happen. | Correct. Quote: |
the vertical 410 still has the same low end of a standard 410, it's that the vertical has the speakers up where your also hearing all the mids and highs, their not just blowing past your knees as they can with a standard 410 configuration.
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02-06-2011, 08:23 AM
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Originally Posted by shoot-r Lay one of your Hartke's on it's side and stack the other on top.
That should give you a idea of how a standard 410 loaded with your speakers will sound.
It'll feel to have alittle more lows with alot less clarity. I believe it was BillF here on the forum that said, the vertical 410 still has the same low end of a standard 410, it's that the vertical has the speakers up where your also hearing all the mids and highs, their not just blowing past your knees as they can with a standard 410 configuration. | Here's a side-by-side of an Acme B-4 and B-2's. The tower's mid and HF drivers are ~38" from the floor. 
Same components as the B-4 but with overall improved dispersion and presence....especially on stage!
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02-06-2011, 08:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Zooberwerx Same components as the B-4 but with overall improved dispersion and presence....especially on stage! | The components are different.
Twice as many mid and high drivers in the B2 stack.
Or is the bottom cab woofers only?
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02-06-2011, 08:36 AM
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Originally Posted by harmendebresser Judging from your picture there, you will hear it when you place them both on the ground (instead of piled up together). Any difference? In theory I'd say your setup would sound more spread out, but slightly less boomy then when they're both on the floor. | I never play them stacked vertically, lost all low frequency and didnt like the sound. I either sit them side by side vertically or more recently, I stack them horizontally. Placed like that on a hardwood floor it really kicks. The stacked avatar was just for looks.
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02-06-2011, 08:39 AM
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Originally Posted by wcriley The components are different.
Twice as many mid and high drivers in the B2 stack.
Or is the bottom cab woofers only? | Negative. The bottom cab is a woofer-only enclosure so we're talkin' 4 10" drivers, single mid, single HF.
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02-06-2011, 09:02 AM
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Originally Posted by dbase I never play them stacked vertically, lost all low frequency and didnt like the sound. I either sit them side by side vertically or more recently, I stack them horizontally. Placed like that on a hardwood floor it really kicks. The stacked avatar was just for looks. | If horizontally works best to your ears, then that's what's best for you. 
I'm not sure what the 210XL verse the 410XL cab dimenisions are.
I was thinking the 410XL had a deeper cabinet than the 210XL.
There "might" be some slight tonal difference between the two.
Do you have access to a 410XL where you might A/B it and your 210's and see which you might prefer?
Zeebererx...NICE rig!!!
Have you found your using the two 210's at gigs and parking the standard configured 410 at the rehearsal space?
That's what's happened for me. |
02-06-2011, 09:14 AM
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Originally Posted by shoot-r Zeebererx...NICE rig!!!
Have you found your using the two 210's at gigs and parking the standard configured 410 at the rehearsal space?
That's what's happened for me. | The B-4 (I had two and sold one to a fellow TBer) has been a part of my gig-rig for the past ~10 years but I plan to to make a permanent transition to the dual B-2's soon. I'm a little concerned about perching a full-size rack box on top so I may carry a small folding stand with me.
I use a Fender Bassman 150 (1 X 12) combo in our rehearsal space.
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