Where do I plug this sucker in? - Page 6

BassikLee · #**101** 08-22-2009, 09:06 PM

I am sorry that I don't share your idea of "fun". Spending tens of thousands of dollars on stuff you will never be able to use, just to please your own ego?? Methinx not. Hell, go get the BEST sounding bass rig you can find, and make it overkill to the point of being something one might still use. I would say anything more than Bill's theoretical two 8x10 cabs, with crazy power, is more than needed. Do it with 15" cones, 10" cones, whatever floats your boat. Take the rest of the money, and buy an actual BOAT! You'll get more use out of it that you ever will out of 18 SVT cabs!

Big rigs, LOUD stages, example: I saw David Lee Roth's band at Universal Studios Orlando a few years ago. The STAGE was 32' wide, end to end. Inside of that, there were THREE full KF/SB850 stacks PER SIDE as sidefill monitors. For the unwashed, each sub is a 2x18, and the tops are a 15/10/HF horn combo. With a total of six of each, they had enough PA on the stage for a crowd of 3-5K or so. I asked Dave's "noiseboy" (sound engineer) if he had enough PA to get over the stage wash. He said "barely, Dave likes it PAINFUL up there". The PA was eight JBL VERTEC 4889 cabs per side, atop six EAW SB1000s per side. Bass rig?? James Lomenzo had TWO ashdown 8x10s on stage, total.

modulusman · #**102** 08-22-2009, 09:29 PM

And the OP doesn't have a band, wonder why. Would any musician in their right mind want to play with a bass player with that big of a rig. You would sound awesome at your first gig down at the VFW unless you are starting out playing stadiums. As was suggested earlier buy a reasonable rig and if you have that kind of money buy a great PA. You would have guys bangin your door down to play with you then.

Hawaii Islander · #**103** 08-22-2009, 09:30 PM

What's with all the sour pusses and nose in the air responses???

The guy wants to build and use his bass rig, then so be it.

You don't like it or think it's not your thing thats fine too, but there's no need to dump your crap on his thread either.

BassikLee · #**104** 08-22-2009, 09:45 PM

Build yes... USE, doubtful....

Waterpilot · #**105** 08-22-2009, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Hawaii Islander

What's with all the sour pusses and nose in the responses???

The guy wants to build and use his bass rig, then so be it.

You don't like it or think it's not your thing thats fine too, but there's no need to dump your crap on his thread either.

I agree.

I don't understand why some people are almost insulted by this build... What difference does it make? It's his time and his money. I could care less if he wants to piss off his neighbors or use it as a dinner table... I would love to see it and hear it though, no matter what the reasons are behind it.

rbonner · #**106** 08-22-2009, 10:12 PM

Huh, been away from this thread for a day or so. The naysayers came out in droves. Yawn.

I've pretty much got my answers by a couple helpful guys. I do love you pro sound guys TELLING ME what I can and can't do. Me thinks the ego is turned around slightly.

As far as the band goes... What and the heck are 99/100's of you guys who says "he doesn't even have a band thinking?" How many bands have each and every one of you been in in your life? 1? I doubt it. Shoot I know more bassists just from this site than all the guitar and drummers I've played with, but I've played with a lot of guitarists and drummers in my life...

When I'm ready I pick up the phone. Reach out and touch someone. You'd be surprised who's out there ready to go to work. There's maybe one or two guys left in the world who don't use cabs as props... I'm one of them and there's a few others.

I've taken a lot of guff from the guys who think 6 SVT's are too much for a touring act. But just look at the diagrams of most of the big rock bands and my rig is the same size as most of them and they are all plugged in.

Now, how big this rig grows too is my business. All I asked is without going in to the venue, and I used to work for the local VENUE as the computer consultant, so I know a few people over there... Hey what do you have to plug into... ? Pretty simple question I'd say.

What I've gotten out of this is the current rig.... running on 50 amps of 240V needs to have a couple wires flipped to run it on 40 amps of 3 phase which is what I need to plug into.

The other guys about me killing myself? Read the damn thread and you'd know I'm an electrician... Along with several other specialties including retired airline pilot and physics PhD and about twenty years in computer consulting business ownership, married a magazine model, owned big boats and a fleet of eighteen wheeler trucks, three airplanes and a partridge in a pear tree.. If you'd bothered to read any of my other posts over the last 9 months (There's been over 1800 of them) and I've taken my whacks from the best of them it's not my nature to brag... This post is more of a KMA...

Anyway, I'm reaching the end of my days... Been laid up the last two weeks but feeling better for those friends on here who care. There's a few things left on my bucket list, which I'd say most of you naysayers should start making yourself and clicking off the items as you can...

I did most everything before I was 40... I've been stagnant the last ten years and I need to break out and accomplish the last few things I've left to do and still can.

Pulling the band back together is one of those things and I have the ability to do it big.

Problem, I had a meeting this afternoon and I may be running a new startup in Iraq this winter... I don't know if it will happen or not. The guys are going to buy my current business and off we go if that is going to happen. I've had several business aquisitions in the past some were good and some bad... This one will be interesting. I don't like snow thats a major motivation.

Maybe I will get lucky and get my head cut off. Then you can say I told you so... If it does happen I will have them do it with a power cord.

OUT

Red Planet · #**107** 08-22-2009, 10:22 PM

I'm with you Bob.

For anyone who has not seen Bob's Rig, it is awesome and real. He built it because he could and enjoyed doing it. It is really a work of Art. I am impressed with his Rig and his attitude towards life, that "do not take no for an answer" attitude.

To sum it up Bob is having fun.

The naysayers are gnashing their teeth.

rbonner · #**108** 08-22-2009, 10:28 PM

Yeah I did it with pressure from the fricken wife who wanted to spend the money on other things like a home remodel and pedicures... I'll show her. The weapon may get unleashed in a foreign country, I can't talk anymore about that.

JimmyM · #**109** 08-22-2009, 10:33 PM

All I can say, once again, is Bob rocks!

Listen, I play 25w amps onstage with rock bands, so I'm no stranger to keeping stage volumes reasonable, but if Bob wants to put together a rig like this, I'm totally behind it. It's no skin off my nose, and I don't care if it's impractical in this day and age...it's his dream, not ours. As someone who also probably has fewer years left ahead of him than behind, all I can say is work that bucket list! If it doesn't work, oh well, but geez, no need to be insulting!

"Do not go gently into that good night;
Rage, rage (with 15,000 watts and eight 810 cabs) against the dying of the light!"

BassikLee · #**110** 08-22-2009, 10:51 PM

You might notice my recent addition to this began with "in my opinion".......

Thank you, drive thru

Sartori · #**111** 08-23-2009, 12:36 AM

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Originally Posted by BassikLee

Build yes... USE, doubtful....

He's plugged in a fair portion of it before. Isn't personal enjoyment we play music in the first place?

Sartori · #**112** 08-23-2009, 12:54 AM

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Originally Posted by JimmyM

"Do not go gently into that good night;
Rage, rage (with 15,000 watts and eight 810 cabs) against the dying of the light!"

That should be the slogan of the amps forum.

Seriously, if I had the resources to build a rig like Bob's, I would do it with no second thoughts. Really, I think the naysayers just do not understand the rule of cool.

BassikLee · #**113** 08-23-2009, 01:29 AM

If the rule of cool says I have to drool whenever someone oldschool spends like a fool, then no.... I don't "get it"

JimmyM · #**114** 08-23-2009, 01:37 AM

You had a good flow going up until the end.

Hey, some folks think playing with more than 4 strings is crazy. However, I do think Bob is making a critical error. He should stack all 8 of them vertically.

BassikLee · #**115** 08-23-2009, 01:44 AM

Yeah, I could not figure out how to end that.....

I'll try harder next time. Something tells me this is not over!

Also, I agree. Stack them vertically. At least get PART of the physics right! let's see 31' tall bass cab per side! Cute. The dead's wall of sound, reborn for 2009!

Sartori · #**116** 08-23-2009, 01:52 AM

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Originally Posted by BassikLee

If the rule of cool says I have to drool whenever someone oldschool spends like a fool, then no.... I don't "get it"

If you have no interest in the subject of a thread, why post in it?

Everything you've said has been posted before, and really isn't the point of this thread. He's not asking "should I do it?" he's asking a specific question about power supply for the monster rig.

Sean S · #**117** 08-23-2009, 01:55 AM

I'm more curious how you distribute your bass signal to all (10?) of your amps. Is there a Master/Slave capability I'm unaware of? I can imagine patching all the inputs in parallel would cause some crazy signal degradation.

And props to you for living your dream. Don't let the naysayers get you down!

BassikLee · #**118** 08-23-2009, 02:12 AM

There are these things called "distribution amps" made for the very purpose of sending the same signal to several inputs, without loading or signal degradation. If it were me, I'd use one of those, if I ever felt a need to have such a monster rig

He's an electrician! He should know how to plug the damn thing in! In the venues I have worked in, there are normally TWO tie in points. One is used for lighting, and the other for audio. The trouble the OP is gonna have is that assuming there is lighting and audio on these shows, the venue's tie ins will be busy supplying power to the production. He is at the mercy of stage power, which is typically NOT set up to run this way. Normally, on an 80' wide stage, we might drop 5 20A, 120V circuits, and backline plugs into that.

Finally (for tonight, anayway), I used to run a "semi insane" rig myself. I had three cabs. Two were original SVT cabs, the third was the same size, but held two JBL E-140 15" drivers. I used to stack them, 2x15 on its side, then an SVT on its side, then the second SVT on its side. Ran the whole mess off a seymour duncan 800 head and a CS-800 amp. Once I started gigging, the rig shrank CONSIDERABLY.....

Lync · #**119** 08-23-2009, 05:53 AM

For the record, I think it is awesome. It is a free country, we all can focus our resources as we like.

Bob,
Can my guitarist sit in with you for a full 4 hour show? He needs a lesson and I think by slightly melting him with bass tone we can put him in his place.

Then again, if he gets completely incinerated, just let me know so I can put up an ad.

Stinsok · #**120** 08-23-2009, 07:32 AM

Who gets stuck moving all that stuff?