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10-11-2011, 02:50 PM
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Not quite ready to buy but Google has failed me in my search  . If I do end up getting an AE210 I currently have no idea where I could purchase any from! Any ideas?
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10-11-2011, 03:20 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: May 2006 Location: austin,tx | | | The ae210 mounts the speakers diagonally, there is no vertical ae210. Although looking at it, it would be an improvement to sit it on it's side, handle on the floor, handle on top. Screw some rubber feet to one of the sides. |
10-11-2011, 03:22 PM
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10-11-2011, 03:37 PM
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Originally Posted by stflbn go go AE212 | I'd love one of those myself, but IIRC, they're voiced way differently than the AE210s. |
10-11-2011, 03:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Kwesi Not quite ready to buy but Google has failed me in my search . If I do end up getting an AE210 I currently have no idea where I could purchase any from! Any ideas? | Will33: The newer ones had the speakers vertically arranged (like the old model on its side).
Good luck finding one. They stopped making them fairly recently, so you'll have to check the usual places used. Crazy price hikes of neo drivers recently drove Jim to stop making them.
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10-11-2011, 03:43 PM
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Originally Posted by will33 The ae210 mounts the speakers diagonally, there is no vertical ae210. Although looking at it, it would be an improvement to sit it on it's side, handle on the floor, handle on top. Screw some rubber feet to one of the sides. | Since so many were using the AE210 like that, Jim just moved the feet, the handles and rotated the badge so that it was in vertical format (although still offset). Absolutely stunningly good 210, which was unfortunately discontinued along with the rest of the AE line a few months ago. |
10-11-2011, 03:43 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: May 2006 Location: austin,tx | | | Cool, didn't know that. My google imaging showed all diagonal ones. |
10-11-2011, 03:44 PM
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Originally Posted by will33 Cool, didn't know that. My google imaging showed all diagonal ones. | Yeah, the line was discontinued very soon after both the AE212 and the 'vertical' AE210 were introduced. Jim never updated the photo on the site. I snagged one the day I heard they were being discontinued! |
10-11-2011, 05:25 PM
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10-11-2011, 05:48 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: May 2006 Location: austin,tx | | | Ah, so it is the same cab with the feet and handles moved. Aside from arguing dispersion, etc. I could see guys doing that just for convenience like being able to reach the amp knobs without stooping over and getting the sound up off the floor where you can hear it better. |
10-11-2011, 07:45 PM
|  | Total Hyper-Elite Member | | Join Date: May 2000 Location: Groom Lake, NV | | I believe Bass San Diego has one left. I believe they also have a horizontal. You'd better hurry, though. They're good guys. Tell 'em Munji sent you. Bass San Diego
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10-11-2011, 08:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Bryan R. Tyler I'd love one of those myself, but IIRC, they're voiced way differently than the AE210s. | That's right. The AE212 is more "throaty" than the AE210 - more mid-rich. I've been gigging my AE212 lately, and it's loud and well-tuned to sit in the mix without being obnoxious. I want to gig the AE210. It's also loud and a little more modern sounding. I use it at rehearsals and the tone is excellent. While the cabs are voiced differently, both have very usable tone. I think the AE212 prefers my Shuttle 9.0 over the RH750. The AE 210 does great with either, not to mention my WTX-500, which is a perfect match for the 210.
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10-11-2011, 08:04 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: WNC, USA | | | Awesome. Now my Bergs are vintage.
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10-11-2011, 09:01 PM
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10-12-2011, 04:40 AM
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Originally Posted by will33 Ah, so it is the same cab with the feet and handles moved. Aside from arguing dispersion, etc. I could see guys doing that just for convenience like being able to reach the amp knobs without stooping over and getting the sound up off the floor where you can hear it better. | +1 Smaller stage footprint also, and a more balanced carry up and down stairs, etc. |
10-12-2011, 06:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Munjibunga That's right. The AE212 is more "throaty" than the AE210 - more mid-rich. I've been gigging my AE212 lately, and it's loud and well-tuned to sit in the mix without being obnoxious. I want to gig the AE210. It's also loud and a little more modern sounding. I use it at rehearsals and the tone is excellent. While the cabs are voiced differently, both have very usable tone. I think the AE212 prefers my Shuttle 9.0 over the RH750. The AE 210 does great with either, not to mention my WTX-500, which is a perfect match for the 210. | +1 The AE212 is very widely voiced, and much deeper in the low end than the other AE cabs, and MUCH smoother in the upper mids, without the big upper mid spike that you especially hear in the AE410 and AE112.
You comment on the Shuttle 9 playing better with the AE212 than the RH750 is right on. The RH450/750 match up nicely with the tighter/brighter voicing of the AE210 and especially the AE410. However, the more even, wider voicing of the AE212 really amplifies the somewhat compressed voicing of the TC amps, and I never really dug that combination.
The AE212 really is a magnificent execution of a neo cab that has none of the cliched neo voicing at all (i.e., that bright, modern upper mid bump).
I am assuming the new HD212 will have even more of that wonderful voicing... even bigger down low, and probably a bit more meaty overall, and of course, 25 pounds heavier! |
10-12-2011, 05:22 PM
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Endorsing Artist: Lyt Pedalboards Beta tester: Source Audio Moderator | | Join Date: May 2002 Location: Connecticut | | | That's what made me interested in the AE212. I've owned a couple HT112/EX112s and played through several other Bergs including an NV610 and the HT322 and dug them all. They were all quite varied, but all seemed to have a similar low mid emphasis and a great sounding top end. I tried an AE410 a year or so back and it didn't do anything for me. It wasn't deep or low and it was very bright and snappy in the upper mids/highs. I have a very light attack as well, so I was getting more bright cleanliness than punch out of it. A player with a much more aggressive style than me played through it and made it sound great in an in-your-face sort of way that would probably cut through any mix. I prefer a deeper, rounder sound though that the other Bergs I've owned/tried have. |
11-08-2011, 01:50 PM
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11-08-2011, 09:36 PM
|  | Registered User | | Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Rochester, NY | | | Ken, I know you've been a fan of the AE212 for some time now. I also know you like the MB F1/500 with it. Besides the MB, are their any other amps you feel match up with the AE212? How about the TH500?
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11-09-2011, 12:31 PM
|  | Registered User | | Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: New York | | | At the recent new england get together, the genz shuttle 9 and 9.2 heads sounded great through all the berg cabs!
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