Where in the world are these amps made

[Hutzbordello]

So its down to two amps for me

the Gk MB 210

and the Peavey tour TNT 115

just wondering where these made

Im hoping everything in the GK is made in the US

but ive heard that peavey is made in China, which would be a deal breaker

[Deluge Of Sound]

I don't think any amplifiers can boast of having everything inside be US made.

But both of those are definitely not made in America, so either get over it or play without an amp.

[JimmyM]

buying based on country of origin is an unrealistic goal these days. even if it's made here, a lot of the parts are simply not made here anymore, so deluge is right that pretty much any amp is going to have foreign parts all through it, especially if it's made by a major manufacturer.

besides, i don't get why people are so dead set on buying from their country of origin. i've got nothing against chinese people. they're just trying to make a buck like the rest of us.

[bassplayer8953]

Carvin = MIA. Parts content may not be 100% USA (not sure), but the amps themselves...and instruments also...are. And IMO sound better than Peavey. I used to use Peavey 100% (when they, & most other amps, were MIA) but switched to Carvin. Not necessarily for MIA content...although it helps...but I like the tone. Carvins are quite reliable, also.

[Hutzbordello]

it has nothing to do with the Chinese people but with the reason that they are making the amps in the first place.

without oing totally off topic its the same reason i hate buying mexican made producrs. NAFTA = Evil.

so i dont want to help supports bad working conditions. I dont see why a chinese amp company doest exist.............bah screw capitalism

[Grooveman1961]

so you don't drive a car right?

[faulkner1953]

The GK MB210 is definitely made in China. Most amps are made in China. Carvin is made in America. Don't know for sure about the rest.

[jokerjkny]

Originally Posted by Grooveman1961

so you don't drive a car right?

nice

[Rick Auricchio]

90% of the parts Carvin uses are not made in the US.

Unless they aren't using resistors, capacitors, transistors, ICs, etc.

As Jimmy says, it's unrealistic to assume anything about where products are made nowadays.

There was a big flap in the late 80s/early 90s when some city in the midwest insisted on buying a John Deer crane instead of a Komatsu. Turns out the Deer was manufactured overseas; the Komatsu was US-built. But I suppose the gun they shot themselves in the foot with was US-made...

[Burlington]

This thread is stupid.

[Rickett Customs]

Originally Posted by Rick Auricchio

90% of the parts Carvin uses are not made in the US.

Unless they aren't using resistors, capacitors, transistors, ICs, etc.

As Jimmy says, it's unrealistic to assume anything about where products are made nowadays.

There was a big flap in the late 80s/early 90s when some city in the midwest insisted on buying a John Deer crane instead of a Komatsu. Turns out the Deer was manufactured overseas; the Komatsu was US-built. But I suppose the gun they shot themselves in the foot with was US-made...

+1, Use you ears, not your view on the manufacturing origin..... I would say "use your ears, not your ignorance", but I don't want to make anyone feel insulted

[nostatic]

My g/f was made in Hong Kong. Evidently not a deal breaker for me.

[Rickett Customs]

Originally Posted by nostatic

My g/f was made in Hong Kong. Evidently not a deal breaker for me.

IDK........Is she still under warranty?

[mellowgerman]

Originally Posted by Hutzbordello

screw capitalism

+1000

[MysticMichael]

Addendum to TB Rules: Overseas Production Threads REVISED (Readme)

MM

[Rick_no7]

Eh.

There are a lot of reasons to want something at least assembled in your local country. Reasons that are as equally valid as the people that don't care. Last I saw these boards weren't fascist, people are allowed to have opinions.

Personally though, I'd rather look up where their customer service calls get routed to, and what kind of local repair shops they have licensed. Who cares if its hand built from the last American made parts on the planet if you can't understand the CS rep you call. Who cares if they have a 20 year warranty if no one close to you is licensed to cover warranty work.

After that, its about priced. If I'm getting Chinese products, I better be paying Chinese prices. A well known British footwear company changed almost all its line to being manufactured in China, but did not change 1 cent of the price. I stopped buying their product.

[bassplayer8953]

If advertised or marked "Made in USA" there are legal parameters as to MIA parts content. At least "X"%age of the contents must originate in the USA. So the claim that 90% of the parts on a product advertised as "Made in USA" come from non-USA sources is nonsense.

I will agree that with amps, once quality standards and tone are established, and a purchase is made, the next barometer of a brand name...regardless of the country of origin of the product...is service after the sale. Being required to deal with people who cannot communicate...that you cannot understand...or who can not/will not help when there is a problem...will put that company at the top of my *!&% list.

And manufacturing abroad isn't about saving the consumer $$$. It's about lining the pockets of the people at the top of the company. Build nothing, service nothing, do nothing, collect $$$...the new American way.

[R Baer]

Originally Posted by JimmyM

buying based on country of origin is an unrealistic goal these days. even if it's made here, a lot of the parts are simply not made here anymore, so deluge is right that pretty much any amp is going to have foreign parts all through it, especially if it's made by a major manufacturer.

besides, i don't get why people are so dead set on buying from their country of origin. i've got nothing against chinese people. they're just trying to make a buck like the rest of us.

Not to get too political here, but it's really more about keeping the manufacturing jobs here. True, many parts that are going to come from overseas, no way around that, but giving up jobs here so we can buy the things we want cheaper and cheaper, certainly can't be good for us as a nation in the long run. Overall the Chinese standard of living is on the rise. Can we say the same here?

[nostatic]

Originally Posted by Rickett Customs

IDK........Is she still under warranty?

Well, luckily nothing has broken yet. I have peeked under the hood and everything seems in order.

["Q"]

Originally Posted by R Baer

Overall the Chinese standard of living is on the rise. Can we say the same here?

Well, if it's still economically viable to build amps on the other side of the world and ship them all the way to the US and still have them be cheaper because we pay chinese ppl 10 cents an hour to assemble them I'm going to assume that their standard of living is not going to surpass us anytime soon.

While I understand and agree with "voting with your money" and I would like to keep manufacturing here aswell; there are factors other than labor costs that contribute to price. Engineering and redesign costs come to mind. Buying an amp that is simpler in design would help. Increasingly, gear comes with more and more buttons and "features" that have to engineered and then re- engineered next year. If ppl would stop buying/wanting "the latest thing" with all the bells and whistles at a rock bottom price then cost could go way down.