Why did you not choose a cabinet from the same company who makes your amp?

[jungleheat]

I get more than enough mids out of a single 15 with NO tweeter.

[NorCal Dog]

one picture says a thousand words

[M Sterling]

Originally Posted by Syco_bass

I build my own basses, and my own cabs. My bass + my cab = my tone. If I knew how to build a tube amp that weighed less than my truck, I'd build one of those too. For now, I like the GB line of amp heads.

As always, no pics, no proof. So here ya go.

Awesome x3!

[Green Lantern]

Originally Posted by NorCal Dog

one picture says a thousand words

NICE!

[hdracer]

Originally Posted by Green Lantern

But you get Better mids with 12 or 10 speakers over 15's with tweeter.

Care to explain?

Originally Posted by jungleheat

I get more than enough mids out of a single 15 with NO tweeter.

^^^ This
With the modern 15's you do not loose anything to 10's or 12's

[CL400Peavey]

Originally Posted by Green Lantern

But you get Better mids with 12 or 10 speakers over 15's with tweeter.

You do? Maybe off axis, if the mids are present in the smaller speaker, nothing about speaker size determines inherent on axis response.

[Green Lantern]

In general terms 15's are larger and displace more air. 12's and even more so on 10'a have a crisper sharper sound. The smaller the speaker the response is then quicker. This has been said for over 30 years.

[CL400Peavey]

Originally Posted by Green Lantern

In general terms 15's are larger and displace more air. 12's and even more so on 10'a have a crisper sharper sound. The smaller the speaker the response is then quicker. This has been said for over 30 years.

and its been a crock of $hit the entire time.

Nothing about speaker diameter determines frequency response, or how "quick", or sharp, or any other adjective, a speaker sounds.

It. Is. All. About. Implemented. Design.

[dukeorock]

Originally Posted by Green Lantern

In general terms 15's are larger and displace more air. 12's and even more so on 10'a have a crisper sharper sound. The smaller the speaker the response is then quicker. This has been said for over 30 years.

It certainly has

[hdracer]

Originally Posted by Green Lantern

In general terms 15's are larger and displace more air. 12's and even more so on 10'a have a crisper sharper sound. The smaller the speaker the response is then quicker. This has been said for over 30 years.

[iualum]

Wanted a better box than anything available from the large commercial outfits. Had an LDS 215 (3015s) w/Selenium D220Ti HF Driver & HM25-25 Horn built. Switch to go from 2-way to utilizing the 15s only. 2 cabs/tones in 1. Thunderous. 65 lbs. with metal casters. Couldn't be happier.

[Green Lantern]

Originally Posted by CL400Peavey

and its been a crock of $hit the entire time.

I welcome you to spend 1/2 an hour reading articles on speakers. Places like Sound on Sound magazine have helpful articles on speaker sizes in general. I have spoke to former BBC engineer Hugh Robjohns at Sound on Sound many times about this. It's pure physics with speaker sizes.

In studios they generally want 6" speakers for nearfields because the mids where vocals and guitar are heard best with this size. They then use larger speakers to hear the lows and how they represent 40hz and below. This is not an opinion on speaker sizes. Granted some 15's well offer better representation than others but with a larger speaker, it will not be as quick to respond as it has a larger mass to move compare to a smaller speaker.

[dukeorock]

Originally Posted by CL400Peavey

It. Is. All. About. Implemented. Design.

I have really smart friends

[dukeorock]

Originally Posted by Green Lantern

I welcome you to spend 1/2 an hour reading articles on speakers. Places like Sound on Sound magazine have helpful articles on speaker sizes in general. I have spoke to former BBC engineer Hugh Robjohns at Sound on Sound many times about this. It's pure physics with speaker sizes.

In studios they generally want 6" speakers for nearfields because the mids where vocals and guitar are heard best with this size. They then use larger speakers to hear the lows and how they represent 40hz and below. This is not an opinion on speaker sizes. Granted some 15's well offer better representation than others but with a larger speaker, it will not be as quick to respond as it has a larger mass to move over a smaller speaker

I'm hoping we can keep the tone of this civil, so we can all learn and have a fun experience...so...

I own a recording studio...have had one for many years and have used some of the best monitors on the planet.

Please consider that near field studio monitoring and live bass sound reproductions are two very different things. As you said, my nearfields are 6.5" woofers...they're also at ear level and maybe 3 feet away from my ears. Totally different application and purpose.

[dukeorock]

One more point...some folks here are just trying to point out that there are many myths regarding speaker sizes...having a true debate with the goal of learning and maybe even laughing is awesome...arguing just to argue, or becoming defensive and prideful is just a drag for everyone involved. I'm not pointing fingers at anyone by saying this, but so many potentially great threads have been closed due to prideful arguments and an unfriendly tone.

[Green Lantern]

Originally Posted by dukeorock

I'm hoping we can keep the tone of this civil, so we can all learn and have a fun experience...so...

I own a recording studio...have had one for many years and have used some of the best monitors on the planet.

Please consider that near field studio monitoring and live bass sound reproductions are two very different things. As you said, my nearfields are 6.5" woofers...they're also at ear level and maybe 3 feet away from my ears. Totally different application and purpose.

I agree we need to keep this civil.

True but the point is speakers that are 15 inch as larger and slower to respond than 12 and even more so than 10's due to their size. This is why 410's are still the most popular for bass cabs. The quickness of the 10's but with multiple 10's you also get the lows as well. I am actually surprised more people don't know this. I am a studio engineer for over 20 years myself.

[jlepre]

On Topic?

[Green Lantern]

Originally Posted by dukeorock

I own a recording studio...have had one for many years and have used some of the best monitors on the planet

Cool; I had Tannoys but in the past couple years I moved on to Focal Twins. What are you using now in your studio?

[dukeorock]

Originally Posted by jlepre

On Topic?

Not at all...good point! Sometimes the tangents fly...sorry for my part in that!

[CL400Peavey]

Originally Posted by dukeorock

One more point...some folks here are just trying to point out that there are many myths regarding speaker sizes...having a true debate with the goal of learning and maybe even laughing is awesome...arguing just to argue, or becoming defensive and prideful is just a drag for everyone involved. I'm not pointing fingers at anyone by saying this, but so many potentially great threads have been closed due to prideful arguments and an unfriendly tone.

+1

You are right, lets keep this light hearted and informative.

GL, Im sorry to disagree with you, but you are wrong. Its not personal, its physics. Between my own education in physics (Masters in applied physics-fluid dynamics), and the discussions I have seen here from the likes of Greenboy, Duke LeJune, BFM, Bob Lee, and numerous other designer, engineers, and experts, it is my belief that speaker size does not correlate to frequency response. Yes you may have a more efficient speaker with a larger cone, but you relative response is not going to be better.

If size was an indicator of speed, a VW bug would be faster than a Bugatti. Tests report otherwise.