Is it worth adding a 12" sub to a 4x10" setup?

[crispygoat]

I have a Eden WT800B paired with a Eden D410XLT. I'm kicking around the idea of adding a sub to my setup, but before doing so I was wondering,

if it was even worth adding a sub since I play a 4 string bass in standard tuning all the time,

and if so, is adding a 12" sub to the 410 worth it or should I go to a 15"?

thank you

[honestjohnny]

Unless it's a true sub and you plan to use a crossover, it's not worth it. Get another 410.

[Jim Campbell]

Originally Posted by crispygoat

I have a Eden WT800B paired with a Eden D410XLT. I'm kicking around the idea of adding a sub to my setup, but before doing so I was wondering,

if it was even worth adding a sub since I play a 4 string bass in standard tuning all the time,

and if so, is adding a 12" sub to the 410 worth it or should I go to a 15"?

thank you

do you need a sub....is the stuff you play lacking in the below 8o hz range.....i'd guess no....adding a sub also means a x-over/separate power supply,....plugging in an extra 12 will buy you nothing

[babebambi]

really depends on the tone you are after
what do you use the rig for? just stage? or no FOH?

there are potential problems
if you don't use a crossover, and use an active powered sub, there could be phase issue between the main speaker (410) and the sub
if you do use a crossover (whether outboard or the WT800 onboard), the 12 sub most likely not going to give more bass than the 410 already is giving you, and your 410 will be over kill for hi and mid range, while not producing any low.

I would just add an identical 410 if I like it enough

[rpsands]

Totally pointless to add a single 12 of any sort to a 4x10.

[MNAirHead]

depends on your complete setup -- I have one that pushes a sub.. cool for the right environment.. not sure it'sworth it for many instances.

[JxBass]

IMO, no. If you can't get the tone and depth you need out of good rig pumping 500w or so through a 410 something else is wrong.

[Marko5657]

Originally Posted by rpsands

Totally pointless to add a single 12 of any sort to a 4x10.

+1

[billfitzmaurice]

Originally Posted by crispygoat

is adding a 12" sub to the 410 worth it or should I go to a 15"?

Neither. If it doesn't go loud enough add a second identical 410. If it does go loud enough it ain't broken, so don't try to fix it.

[FuzzBoxVoodoo]

I would suggest trying a 15 and see if that gives you the desired results that you are looking for if not another Eden 4x10 would also work well for what you are wanting.
There are ALOT of people that are very happy with there sound after adding a 15" to there 2x10 or 4x10 cabs.
There is a big price difference and weight difference between another 90lbs 4x10 and a 15" cab.
I think that it would be hard to find a 12" that would give you what you are looking for.
Steve

[lomo]

Like putting a spoiler on a stock civic-money for nothing and will look silly

[screemnjay]

Eden 210xst if you want something smallish. 410xst if you don't mind the girth. Either will fill in the bottom. Check out some set-ups on the Eden forum.

[dbase]

Originally Posted by JxBass

IMO, no. If you can't get the tone and depth you need out of good rig pumping 500w or so through a 410 something else is wrong.

+1

[4Mal]

Originally Posted by honestjohnny

Unless it's a true sub and you plan to use a crossover, it's not worth it. Get another 410.

Originally Posted by Jim Campbell

do you need a sub....is the stuff you play lacking in the below 8o hz range.....i'd guess no....adding a sub also means a x-over/separate power supply,....plugging in an extra 12 will buy you nothing

Originally Posted by babebambi

really depends on the tone you are after
what do you use the rig for? just stage? or no FOH?

there are potential problems
if you don't use a crossover, and use an active powered sub, there could be phase issue between the main speaker (410) and the sub
if you do use a crossover (whether outboard or the WT800 onboard), the 12 sub most likely not going to give more bass than the 410 already is giving you, and your 410 will be over kill for hi and mid range, while not producing any low.

I would just add an identical 410 if I like it enough

the user's amp is stereo and has a crossover built in ...

To the OP -
no. The XLT 410 already makes plenty of low end for all but the largest stages. Are you getting far enough away from your cab ?

[Wayne Train]

Hi Crispygoat, one of my setups is a 12" EV SRO in a cab I built. It sounds great but it won't keep up with some of the line ups I play with but for some small rooms it works better (more definition) than a larger cabinet. I tried hooking up an 18" EV sugar scoop with and without an Xover. It bass-icly came down to this. Lots of low overtones which excited the walls and fixtures in the venues without any extra clarity in the fundamentals. Your Eden is a really nice cab but all musical equipment's performance depends on the individual playing it. If there is something lacking try another cab with your head. Might be the wrong configuration for you.

[kosmicwizard]

Originally Posted by crispygoat

I have a Eden WT800B paired with a Eden D410XLT. I'm kicking around the idea of adding a sub to my setup, but before doing so I was wondering,

if it was even worth adding a sub since I play a 4 string bass in standard tuning all the time,

and if so, is adding a 12" sub to the 410 worth it or should I go to a 15"?

thank you

I don't think it is worth it at all. The 4x10 probably goes deeper than the 12 does and would totally smoke it in volume. Just extra weight for no reward. Cheers.

[BassmanPaul]

Originally Posted by crispygoat

and if so, is adding a 12" sub to the 410 worth it or should I go to a 15"?

thank you

Neither. The exercise is pointless. What ever size you try the 4x10 will out power it.

[BigOldHarry]

Originally Posted by rpsands

Totally pointless to add a single 12 of any sort to a 4x10.

Agreed. If you feel you aren't getting enough bass out of your 4x10, then you might have the wrong cab.