Would you be interested in approx. 25lb 4x10 or 16lb 2x10 (sound in the vein of a Ber

basswave · #1 10-05-2012, 08:06 AM

Would you be interested in approx. 25lb 4x10 or 16lb 2x10 (sound in the vein of a Bergantino & Epi)

**Freddels** · #2 10-05-2012, 08:09 AM

I want a sealed 410.

basswave · #3 10-05-2012, 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Freddels

I want a sealed 410.

Hhhhmm...How about front ported?

gmarcus · #4 10-05-2012, 08:24 AM

GK 410MBE is sealed and ~ 41 lbs (at least the Chinese version, not sure about the new US version). They are a little boomy, but if you stuff them with ~ 2 lbs of Acousta stuff they sound great.

GK 410MBE Mods

**CL400Peavey** · #5 10-05-2012, 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by basswave

Would you be interested in approx. 25lb 4x10 or 16lb 2x10 (sound in the vein of a Bergantino & Epi)

One of the lightest 10's I can find weighs 3.5 pounds, so 14 for 4 of them. How do you propose to build a properly supported cab around them that only weighs 11 pounds? If you could, why would anyone pay for the technology for the composite material to build such a cab, when it uses a poor design like a 410?

**Freddels** · #6 10-05-2012, 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by basswave

Hhhhmm...How about front ported?

Nope. I've got ported already.

basswave · #7 10-05-2012, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by CL400Peavey

One of the lightest 10's I can find weighs 3.5 pounds, so 14 for 4 of them. How do you propose to build a properly supported cab around them that only weighs 11 pounds? If you could, why would anyone pay for the technology for the composite material to build such a cab, when it uses a poor design like a 410?

I like the Fearful designs...but I disagree with the 410 being a poor design. I think that discussion if valid one if You disagree, but respectfully I would ask that be on another thread.

Just to clarify (4) 10s would be for a 25lb cabinet. (Hypothetically

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dincz · #8 10-05-2012, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by basswave

Just to clarify (4) 10s would be for a 25lb cabinet. (Hypothetically

)

That's one hell of a hypothesis!

**CL400Peavey** · #9 10-05-2012, 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by basswave

Just to clarify (4) 10s would be for a 25lb cabinet. (Hypothetically

)

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Originally Posted by dincz

That's one hell of a hypothesis!

+1

You are looking at around 14 pounds for the four drivers. How are you going to build a properly braced cabinet for them with the remaining 11 pounds? And why would anyone pay for that premium material for the design/performance aspect of a 410?

iriegnome · #10 10-05-2012, 09:44 AM

My 2x12 sits in at 48 pounds and my single 12 is at 26 pounds and I think they are light! If you could pound out high quality tone, great wattage capability and a good price, I would check them out..

basswave · #11 10-05-2012, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by CL400Peavey

+1

You are looking at around 14 pounds for the four drivers. How are you going to build a properly braced cabinet for them with the remaining 11 pounds?

I'm not the builder so from a technically standpoint I cannot answer.

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Originally Posted by CL400Peavey

And why would anyone pay for that premium material for the design/performance aspect of a 410?

Why do people people pay $1125 for a non-neo 410?
Answer: Because they want them. Plain and simple.

Baird6869 · #12 10-05-2012, 09:51 AM

Of course, but when I look at my lightweight Berg AE210's, I cant imagine how to cut the weight by more than 1/2. They already have NEO speakers, thin wood, etc.

I really don't think it is possible.

Right away 3-5lbs per speaker kills the dream.

basswave · #13 10-05-2012, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Baird6869

I really don't think it is possible.

Right away 3-5lbs per speaker kills the dream.

Are you sure of that

Edit: I don't want to sound facetious in any way. All I'm saying is don't get stuck on what you think
some components way.

I come in peace

Baird6869 · #14 10-05-2012, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by basswave

Are you sure of that

Edit: I don't want to sound facetious in any way. All I'm saying is don't get stuck on what you think
some components way.

I come in peace

So even 2 3lb speakers would leave 10lbs for wood, crossover, hardware, tolex, grille, etc.

Pretty sure it currently can't be done in a way that would sound great.

My boss asks me every month when I roll up forecast #'s "would you bet your career on this?"

In this case, I wouldn't!

jlepre · #15 10-05-2012, 10:31 AM

Using alternate material to wood (Fiberglass?) and alternate bracing, you might be able to accomplish this. It would be VERY expensive.

basswave · #16 10-05-2012, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by jlepre

Using alternate material to wood (Fiberglass?) and alternate bracing, you might be able to accomplish this. It would be VERY expensive.

Hi John
Yep your correct.
Not sure on the expensive part (seriously).

Mehve · #17 10-05-2012, 11:22 AM

Even the composite crazy88 cabs weigh in at a little over 20lbs, iirc.

**CL400Peavey** · #18 10-05-2012, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Mehve

Even the composite crazy88 cabs weigh in at a little over 20lbs, iirc.

+1

Thats with 8" drivers of known weight too.

I am very curious to find out what type of material would allow this type of weight claim. Could be revolutionary if such a material exists that can be had at reasonable prices.

wcriley · #19 10-05-2012, 11:43 AM

Not intending to poke any fun at the OP, but...

This Criley-Core prototype weighed less than 2 lbs.

will33 · #20 10-05-2012, 11:54 AM

Got a line on some affordable carbon fiber?...perhaps fused with helium?

How about some of that nano-tech stuff they are using to build the space elevator?