Would you be interested in approx. 25lb 4x10 or 16lb 2x10 (sound in the vein of a Ber

[Chef]

Civility Insert:
Why is it that many times, when someone posts about something non fF, the fF Folks have to slag it?
Can one ever choose not to post, rather than to slag?
Or perhaps even say "hey, go try that and report back, good luck," or some such thing?

Ok then. Carry on.

[::::BASSIST::::]

Originally Posted by dawind99

I am the designer, and have been working on prototypes for a while. No helium involved I'll have the some informal test results done by the end of the week. The first 210 will be available for test drives November 3d.

I am always intrigued by lightweight designs and wish you luck. However, one thing to consider is that using a lighter weight wood would be way easier to build, be more durable and would only be slightly heavier than composite/fibreglass. I am speaking from experience as I owned a composite 39.6LB cab and then built a 43LB cab of the exact same design and dimensions out of Italian Poplar. That is an additional 3.4LB with the IP but well worth it IME. Composite does have its disadvantages vs wood especially in build time. Anyway, just food for thought. Good luck.

[dukeorock]

I think a few good builders have shown composite to be perfectly viable...road worthy? Not sure as I've never toured one. Also expensive, but the sound is there for sure

[will33]

Originally Posted by dawind99

I am the designer, and have been working on prototypes for a while. No helium involved I'll have the some informal test results done by the end of the week. The first 210 will be available for test drives November 3d.

Without spilling too many beans....what material are the cabs made from?

Some of the molded plastic cabs like you see in some smaller PA mains can be very light, but many of those I have seen lack sufficient stiffness/bracing for bass use. Way too much panel flex. This can be solved of course, but the solution will add some weight.

[basswave]

Originally Posted by dawind99

I am the designer, and have been working on prototypes for a while. No helium involved I'll have the some informal test results done by the end of the week. The first 210 will be available for test drives November 3d.

Well there You go...

Looks like we will have first full on life demo @ the GTG

2012 New England GTG Sat Nov3rd (Hampton CT) NE corner

[Revolver]

One could build a super lightweight (and stiff) cab using carbon fiber and nomex honeycomb, but of course, that would really hike up the price.

[dawind99]

The price will be reasonable. The cabinet will be in CT on November 3d. And, I build my cabinets without the aid of children Although it would be really nice if my sons would help.

David

Originally Posted by T-Bird

I wouldn't be interested.

OTOH to clarify that a bit, I would be interested if the price was low enough, but it wouldn't be, unless shoeless 3rd world children were doing the CF work.



Building a cab that behaves like that is super easy. Anyone who's built cabs have probably succeeded in doing so.
Building one that is both light-weight (or medium light) and doesn't waste energy on flexing the panels, that is HARD.

Regards
Sam

[Sartori]

I'd be interested in a 50 pound 8x10.

[T-Bird]

Hi David.

Originally Posted by dawind99

The price will be reasonable. The cabinet will be in CT on November 3d. And, I build my cabinets without the aid of children Although it would be really nice if my sons would help.

David

Thank You for taking the time to reply.

As an mechanical engineer, and as a someone with a facination towards lightweight constructions in every walks of life, not just in PA and MI applications, I just can't imagine how would You be able to pull that off techically though.

Every feasibility study I've made about the subject has led in choosing the traditional, heavier construction over the initially proposed light-weight alternative.

Going from GF to CF, polyester to epoxy, respectively for example, moves the comma one digit rightwards. Enough to scare everyone off IME.

Thinking outside of the box is something I do all the time though, and I'm pretty sure that You have something else than the super expensive CF sandwich in mind. I just can't see it ATM .


Good luck in any case, and If You indeed will be able pull it off, I'm pretty sure that your sons will have their hands full with building the cabs. If not just right now, in the future anyway.

Regards
Sam

[Calaverasgrande]

honestly as someone who has had crippling back pain in the past, I would certainly pay a hefty price premium to continue to be able to bring bombastic amounts of bass to bear, without straining my back.
Sure I can use casters and dollies. But there are always stairs, stage, and getting into and out of the wagon.

[FretlessMainly]

I've found that my GK Neo 2x12 beats a GK 4x10. Given that your poll doesn't allow for my preference, I voted "no."

Polls that don't allow for more options are skewed. Dewey defeats Truman, etc.

[Tom_RCJ]

At 2-3 gigs a week, a 16lb 2x10 that would sound good in various settings would certainly be on my list of things to get.

So now, are we talking about a new way to build cabs... or a new way to build speakers? Or even a complete redesign of the whole system?

[Rockin Mike]

Originally Posted by will33

Isn't hydrophobia rabies? I don't want that.

Hydrophobia means "fear of water". A symptom of rabies, true, but in materials it just means "water resistant".

[Rockin Mike]

I taped a paper cup to my bass, and tied it to another paper cup with string.
you pull the string taut and hold the other cup up to your ear.

Very lightweight.

[froghat]

Originally Posted by basswave

Looks like we will have first full on life demo @ the GTG

Not to appear to have been too sheltered, but GTG = Get ToGether?

[mwbassace]

I'm a little surprised at the doubt of this. Art of Noise Audio is making composite cabs right now that weigh in at the 25 to 35 lb mark at a typical "boutique" price. Yes they are fEarful 12/6 & 15/6 designs at those weights but it makes a good case for what the OP asked. I'm interested. PS, Yes GTG means get-together.

[makohund]

Originally Posted by mwbassace

I'm a little surprised at the doubt of this. Art of Noise Audio is making composite cabs right now that weigh in at the 25 to 35 lb mark at a typical "boutique" price. Yes they are fEarful 12/6 & 15/6 designs at those weights but it makes a good case for what the OP asked. I'm interested. PS, Yes GTG means get-together.

1. No they aren't. No longer an authorized builder.

2. A lot easier to get that kind of weight with a single woofer than with four.

[mwbassace]

Oh, I was not aware of that about them. To bad, My band was looking them for our PA top boxes. And I realize that I was talking about different speaker sizes & the number of them, but was using it as an example that the OP's goal isn't so far out there. Hopefully

[guy n. cognito]

Originally Posted by Chef

Civility Insert:
Why is it that many times, when someone posts about something non fF, the fF Folks have to slag it?
Can one ever choose not to post, rather than to slag?
Or perhaps even say "hey, go try that and report back, good luck," or some such thing?

Ok then. Carry on.

Giant +1

[basswave]

Originally Posted by Calaverasgrande

honestly as someone who has had crippling back pain in the past, I would certainly pay a hefty price premium to continue to be able to bring bombastic amounts of bass to bear, without straining my back.
.

How would you feel if the 410 was only $185 more then the standard and just a $155 more of the 210

That was the first number crunch anyways...So I will not confirm an absoutle, and neither will David (the owner at this time) so please don't ping him to death...The guy is litterally working around the clock with building and player himself as well.