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12-12-2011, 09:25 PM
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Sacrifice Volume for Bass, or Bass for Volume?
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12-12-2011, 09:30 PM
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If you are talking about stage tone, I rather sacrifice a bass heavy tone for something I can hear clearly. I do it at every show I play... |
12-12-2011, 09:31 PM
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12-12-2011, 09:38 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Colorado | | | Guess I'm not certain that with the right rig why you'd have to sacrifice either. Maybe I just don't understand why you're asking the question this way.
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12-12-2011, 09:52 PM
| | Supporting Member | | Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Lake Havasu City, Az USA | | Actually even with the right rig, a "bad" room will create the need for cutting the bass. 
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12-12-2011, 10:00 PM
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Which would you value most?
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12-12-2011, 10:03 PM
| | | | volume for me on stage, and bass out in the room through the PA.
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12-12-2011, 10:47 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Colorado | | | I guess under those circumstances I cut bass for more punch and volume if my rig is what's generating itself to the dance floor or the room. A big woofy muddy bass with no punch does nothing for me. If the gig calls for subs we use subs to get that message through.
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12-12-2011, 11:35 PM
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Endorsing: Ampeg | | Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Apopka, FL | | | Strange question. But since I already play lower than most, obviously I went for the bass.
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12-13-2011, 04:59 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: DC | | | Definitely volume for bass (to a certain extent). If you can't sound good, why be heard at all? |
12-13-2011, 05:08 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: May 2006 Location: austin,tx | | | There are so many variables in play here the question is pretty much meaningless......
That said, if you bring enough rig for the gig, you don't have to worry about sacrificing any of it. |
12-13-2011, 05:50 PM
| | | I’d take the volume so long as the low-mids are good enough to cut through the mix.
In fact a few minutes ago I ordered used a Markbass classic 215 that’s only rated down to 50hz, so I may be experiencing this scenario this weekend. 
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12-13-2011, 05:59 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: UK | | | If I can't hear myself, or if it's a 3- or -4 piece, volume for bass.
If it's a 5- or more piece, especially with keyboards, and fitting into the mix or good tone is more important, bass for volume.
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12-13-2011, 06:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Marko5657 I’d take the volume so long as the low-mids are good enough to cut through the mix.
In fact a few minutes ago I ordered used a Markbass classic 215 that’s only rated down to 50hz, so I may be experiencing this scenario this weekend. | No, you won't. If anything, the low frequency spec on that cab is less exaggerated than most others. The specs you see in ads are completely meaningless. |
12-13-2011, 06:15 PM
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Originally Posted by will33 No, you won't. If anything, the low frequency spec on that cab is less exaggerated than most others. The specs you see in ads are completely meaningless. | Yeah, I know. 
If it does 50hz okay, that’s low enough imo; I’d rather use the power for the frequencies that are heard.
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12-13-2011, 06:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Marko5657 Yeah, I know.
If it does 50hz okay, that’s low enough imo; I’d rather use the power for the frequencies that are heard. | +1
If it can do a real 50hz, up there close in output with the rest of the frequencies it's producing, it would be one of the deepest sounding cabs many of us have ever heard. What many folks percieve as "bass" is an octave above real bass which outside of a very few highend cabs requires dedicated subwoofers. An arguement can be made that bass cabs sound better without so much bass, as wierd as that may sound to some. |
12-13-2011, 06:52 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: May 2006 Location: austin,tx | | | It'd probably take quite a while to dig up but somewhere in some old post, BFM posted a RTA of a Bob Marley and the Wailers show, pretty much what you think of as big, fat, deep bass. There was nothing going on below 50hz and the real big output didn't kick in until 60. Goes to show you what these rediculously low spec'd bass cabs can't do.
When running our PA, my subs are highpassed 40-50hz. They're as deep as you'd ever need to be, all the tone is in the harmonics. |
12-13-2011, 07:04 PM
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Originally Posted by WilliamSandoval Sacrifice Volume for Bass, or Bass for Volume? | If by bass you mean “tone” personally I would rather give up volume than tone - tone is more important than volume - however, I love power or volume too. |
12-13-2011, 07:06 PM
| | | | Yep… the harmonic is what’s heard, the brain fills in the rest.
I’m typically cutting the lows anyway to get the notes to be clear. In the covers band I play with only one guitar (and drums), so I’m very busy, and my actual notes are important.
Hell, one PA power amp (retired to the music room now) has the option of 30hz or 50hz low-cut, and I set it to 50hz for the whole PA, with subs, and it sounds great.
Lows just suck up power for no real benefit.
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12-13-2011, 07:12 PM
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Midtown Guitars | | Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 810, Michigan | | bass will resonate even at a lower volume.
bass you feel, volume you hear.
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