Xsonics 212CF FIRST GIG IMPRESSIONS

[smogg]

Originally Posted by Ncognito

For sure the new NeoX has a custom made Faital in it. My guess is GB wanted Faital to model its tone after the Eminence that was in the previous model.

Yes, that is the way I understood it as well.

[smogg]

Yes, the etch-a-sketch printout chart would be the deciding factor. Heaven forbid we let our ears decide what sounds good or not.
Looking forward to your impressions of the 215. Have fun @ Daytona.

Originally Posted by Fretlessboy

I used the Genz cabinets for a long time as you know. Sonically they are very similar in tone however the 212cf is tighter sounding to me. Have I mentioned smaller and more powerful?I DO NOT KNOW WHY. I don't care why. Yes I have a 215cf coming this week as well for approval . And Nick laughed at me and said "save the box"... So if he thought he was "all that" I am sure he would have said "you can ditch the box cause you will love it".
With the sound of the 2 being so similar the size and weight becomes the advantage ... However if you play a 5 string the 212cf wins... Why you ask? Because it doesn't have quite the boom so notes below "E" are tight... Any questions? Now as far as the chart goes... Nick I don't care what the chart says or if you used an etch-a-sketch to design it...or if you went to a paranormal ... It kicks. Y'all want to try it? You have 72 hours to see that the chart is wrong.

[lo-freq]

Originally Posted by Ncognito

My reference cabinet is a brand new GB 212t NeoX.

I was unaware the older GB212t used Eminence

I think you are confusing people because GB changed the model name when they upgraded (or redesigned) it from NeoX-212T to NX2-212T.

[Brad Johnson]

Originally Posted by Eublet

I think we can all agree that science and physics are useful in this area. Dennis said it sounds great. I'm sure it can be explained why it sounds the way it does. I'm sure another person can use that same science to describe why they wouldn't like the way it sounds. The end result is the same. One person likes or dislikes it because of his ears only. One person likes or dislikes it and can use physics to help demonstrate why.

So one person likes it and one person doesn't. Nothing new there. The problem is that it seems it's the folks who like physics are the ones who are always barging into other threads wearing their design patrol badges attacking things they wouldn't personally like as if they have a mandate to protect the masses from themselves.

I HATE the sound of fearful cabinets for bass. I have never once barged into a thread to say that where people where discussing how great they are. I don't care what the science is behind them. I agree it looks great on paper. I can't stand that type of thing as a bass player. I do however like a wide range of cabinets with various types of character. I'm sure the science could help explain why, but I don't need some TB person telling me that the science behind the cabs I like is poor. It does me no good, and it just gets tiring.

Excellent summation of what's been rampant around here for a while now.

[Brad Johnson]

Originally Posted by Fretlessboy

Shouldn't the techie talk be happening on the Xsonics thread and not on my first impression?

It follows the name wherever it goes. BTDT

[Fretlessboy]

Lol @brad

[Ncognito]

Originally Posted by jlepre

Question:

The External Dolly Handle option: Is this available separately? Is it attached to the cab?

I bought a couple different dolly handle jobbies like the picture but they were not heavy duty enough so I dropped the idea. If anyone can recommend a good one I'd like to make it available.

[dukeorock]

Originally Posted by Ncognito

I bought a couple different dolly handle jobbies like the picture but they were not heavy duty enough so I dropped the idea. If anyone can recommend a good one I'd like to make it available.

Would be great if that could work...aside from not seeing one beefy enough, I'd be worried about the rattle

[Ncognito]

Originally Posted by dukeorock

Would be great if that could work...aside from not seeing one beefy enough, I'd be worried about the rattle

Great point! Thanks duke!!

[dukeorock]

Originally Posted by Ncognito

Great point! Thanks duke!!

Yessir! BTW, that particular blue color is really awesome...keep up the good work!

[will33]

I've experimented with various retractable handle systems like that off of airplane luggage. It can do a lot for convenience and they seemed OK for stuff up about a lightweight neo 112 cab. Beyond that, they are too flimsy/weak metal for rigorous use. Didn't have too much trouble with rattles with good mounting on a solid cab, they're just not sturdy enough to get slammed over curbs, thrown in a truck, etc. If you want to persue it, come up with your own solid design for your cabs and contract out to a local metal fab shop or something.

Once you mount the handle system on the back of the cab, you'll find cutting the wheel mounts into the cab to make for good balance at the carry angle and having skid rails that stick put a little farther than the handle hardware for dragging it up stairs are a must to make a good system. Can add a good bit of cost to the build. Worth messing with for the DIY'er. For a business, you'd need a really good design and a hard sell to recoup the cost. At least if you want to make it good and not just slap a luggage handle on the back that will fail and make your product seem "cheap". I doubt that's something any of the builders here would let themselves be associated with....more of a "cheap add-on" a big company would do that doesn't care what happens to it after the initial purchase.

It's weird how much thought and design has to go into making a good, sturdy, long term reliable handle in that design....I know, I've tried. Much easier to just recommend a collapsible dolly. For my next trick, I'm goimg to saw the handle portion off said collapsible dolly and try mounting that to the cab.

[dukeorock]

Originally Posted by will33

For my next trick, I'm goimg to saw the handle portion off said collapsible dolly and try mounting that to the cab.

GENIUS!!!

[Ncognito]

Originally Posted by will33

I've experimented with various retractable handle systems like that off of airplane luggage.

I found this litttle gem at Home Depot for $26.00. Works well, pretty sturdy and goes up to 150 pounds! No attached hand truck for Xsonics!

[dukeorock]

Originally Posted by Ncognito

I found this litttle gem at Home Depot for $26.00. Works well, pretty sturdy and goes up to 150 pounds! No attached hand truck for Xsonics!

I have one of those...they work just fine

[Ncognito]

Originally Posted by dukeorock

Yessir! BTW, that particular blue color is really awesome...keep up the good work!

The BNA stuff is off the hook! Those grills are sick!! Rock on my building brother!

[dukeorock]

Originally Posted by Ncognito

The BNA stuff is off the hook! Those grills are sick!! Rock on my building brother!

Thanks! And back atcha!

[will33]

Ya know, when it comes to gravel driveways, stone walkways, mud, party gigs in the woods, being able to push your rig as well as pull it, you just can't beat a good old fashioned large pneumatic tire. Perhaps I will have the first line of "offroad cabs", where you have to check the air in your tires. Working on an HF driver that lets you check your oil too.

[Fretlessboy]

Lol

[buffalobillh]

Anyone in Texas with an Xsonic cab?

[Fretlessboy]

Buffalo... Come visit