Xsonics Bass Cab Company

[Mike Arnopol]

As I had stated. My comment is that the speakers move in the same direction at the same time---whether basket in or out. I'm talking about cone motion---not orientation.

[rpsands]

Originally Posted by Ncognito

The speakers are Not always both facing out. My compound non-isobaric push-pull flips the chambered woofer 180 degrees so it fires into the enclosure with polarity out of phase for that woofer. The conventional does not fire into the enclosure and is in phase.

I'm trying my best to stem the confusion.

Ahh, I see. Sorry to Mike! I misunderstood.

Pointing in but out of phase -- I am pretty sure that will act almost exactly like an isobaric.

[Brad Johnson]

Originally Posted by Ncognito

Just a quick clarification. I've designed the Xsonics cabinets to allow for conventional loading AND compound non-isobaric push-pull loading. IMO, the cabinet sounds terrific loaded either way. Frankly, I don't hear a huge difference between the two and I have 4 test review cabinets. Maybe a little less high end and a tad more mids with the push-pull. My intention is to ship any cabinets I sell loaded conventionally. Push-pull will be for those who request it. I takes a total of 5 minutes to remove the side driver, flip it 180 degrees and reverse the wiring polarity for anyone who wants to have a listen to push-pull.

I hope to have my cabinets charted later in the year.

Very cool. Good luck and again, looking forward to getting my mitts on one soon. I like folks who are thinking outside the box.

[Ncognito]

Originally Posted by Brad Johnson

Very cool. Good luck and again, looking forward to getting my mitts on one soon. I like folks who are thinking outside the box.

Thank you for the kind words Brad! God bless and be well buddy!

[Mike Arnopol]

Hey--we live about 45 minutes from each other. We should bring all of our goofy speakers out and hang!

[Ncognito]

Originally Posted by Mike Arnopol

Hey--we live about 45 minutes from each other. We should bring all of our goofy speakers out and hang!

Sounds great Mike! I've got some nice reference cabinets here as well, but I'm happy to come out your way too!! Love to hear some of your stuff.

[kringle77]

Brad, I believe the xsonics uses the eminence 3012ho which sounds much different than the faital. This is why I bet they will sound different in the way I described. In fact, it is a certanty. My cab is wired with both drivers facing out.

[Mike Arnopol]

The HO's as I had said would really benefit from this configuration. It would naturally reduce the midrange " wank" of the Ho's. They are probably the punchiest drivers out there.

[Ncognito]

Originally Posted by kringle77

Brad, I believe the xsonics uses the eminence 3012ho which sounds much different than the faital. This is why I bet they will sound different in the way I described. In fact, it is a certanty. My cab is wired with both drivers facing out.

Right again Chris. I started with the intention of using Faital Pro drivers in my cabinets. They certainly are MUCH less expensive, and who doesn't like that! To me, the Xsonics 212CF and 210CF sounded excellent with 12PR300's and 10PR300's but were a little lacking in high end clarity and sizzle. Once I tried the Eminence 3012HO's and 3010HO's there was NO turning back. For me the additional cost is worth every penny not to mention the additional 200 watts in power handling. These days American products are kinda cool to use too.

[kringle77]

Im expecting this cab to hit like a mule. I'd probably prefer the tone of the 10's but, I need a one cab gig solution and the 12's fit the bill for that better. I think that alot of guys aren't exactly on the same page when I say that I need a loud cab. If you say that you play loud and then go on to talk about your 1x12 cab.....you don't play loud. Maybe I should say that I need a cab that hits hard. Even when Im not technically playing loud, I need a cab that hits you hard in the chest at a distance. There are just so few cabs that do this. I mean, even big cabs. The nv610 and eden xlt cabs are pretty much the only ones I can think of that do this, the way I want. My neo 8x10 is pretty good. Hit with a board to the chest, not a big pillow.

[Brad Johnson]

Originally Posted by kringle77

Brad, I believe the xsonics uses the eminence 3012ho which sounds much different than the faital. This is why I bet they will sound different in the way I described. In fact, it is a certanty. My cab is wired with both drivers facing out.

Cool.

[Ncognito]

Both the Faital Pro 12pr300 and Eminence 3012HO are wonderful drivers and would make most any cabinet sound good. Having extensively tested both, the Xsonics really shined with the Eminence HO's. The extra $$$ was a bit painful though!

[5StringPocket]

Looking forward to some clips on this bad boy!

[kringle77]

Got my cf212 today. Just an awsome cab. Definitely does the eden punch and growl with a much smoother tweet. Loud cab. This is the first cab that I've ever played that if blind folded, I would have guessed it was a multi 10" loaded cab. Has the eden type vibe but without that honk at 500hz. I actually prefer to run with the tweet off, turn up the treble and boost around 1.6khz just alittle. This thing is going to punch and cut live. It actually makes me excited when I play through it. I get that tight in the chest, giddy feeling.

[bb03]

Originally Posted by kringle77

Got my cf212 today. Just an awesome cab. Definitely does the eden punch and growl with a much smoother tweet. Loud cab. This is the first cab that I've ever played that if blind folded, I would have guessed it was a multi 10" loaded cab. Has the eden type vibe but without that honk at 500hz. I actually prefer to run with the tweet off, turn up the treble and boost around 1.6khz just a little. This thing is going to punch and cut live. It actually makes me excited when I play through it. I get that tight in the chest, giddy feeling.

I know you're already thinking about how great TWO cf212's would sound...

[kringle77]

Man, if my amp did 2 ohms I probably would. I don't think I would need it though.

[kringle77]

The 3012ho's are such awsome drivers. I don't find them harsh at all. The tweet in this cab is crossed at around 4khz and sounds very smooth, natural. That said, Im really liking the tweet off, treble at 2:00, global high at 2:00, maybe 1.6khz at 1:00 and bass at 1:00. That sounds like a really grindy gig tone.

Im not sure if Im sick or not but, I did puke through my nose and lose 4lbs overnight. If I feel better after work, I'll make the video for this cab.

[jnewmark]

Originally Posted by kringle77

The 3012ho's are such awsome drivers. I don't find them harsh at all. The tweet in this cab is crossed at around 4khz and sounds very smooth, natural. That said, Im really liking the tweet off, treble at 2:00, global high at 2:00, maybe 1.6khz at 1:00 and bass at 1:00. That sounds like a really grindy gig tone.

Im not sure if Im sick or not but, I did puke through my nose and lose 4lbs overnight. If I feel better after work, I'll make the video for this cab.

I use the 3012HO's in a 212/horn cab myself, and find them to be a very underated driver for bass. A tone that punches through the mix if needed, or a nice pillow on the bottom for the band, at least for a 4 stringer like me.

[Ncognito]

Originally Posted by jnewmark

I use the 3012HO's in a 212/horn cab myself, and find them to be a very underated driver for bass. A tone that punches through the mix if needed, or a nice pillow on the bottom for the band, at least for a 4 stringer like me.

Hi jnewmark

I couldn't agree more. I tried 7 different 12's coming from 4 different manufacturers before settling on the 3012HO for the Xsonics 212CF. Certainly not inexpensive, but definately worth it, IMO.

[kringle77]

The cab is built really well and Nick actually made some last minute improvements on the design based on our conversations. Thats a big plus and something you can only do with a small builder.