Yet Another (2) x 112 Thread - Page 4

**Chef** · #61 11-28-2012, 07:57 AM

the link is there now......

liam_g · #62 11-28-2012, 07:58 AM

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^^^No link

Yeah, I fixed it ...

Liam

SpinyNorman · #63 11-28-2012, 08:27 AM

Yea, I checked out Ed's video this past weekend. The problem with these videos is that you don't really get a feel for how the cab is going to behave in the real world. Feedback on TB from folks actually using, and abusing, the cabs is much more valuable IMHO.

A pair of reasonably priced Aguilar DB112's came up in the classifieds on TB late yesterday and was snagged in less than 10 minutes. Bummer.

SpinyNorman · #64 11-28-2012, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by bassdude51

If you're wanting 2, 1-12s and want to keep cost down then buy 2 Avatar 1-12 neo cabs. Great bang for the buck and light weight.

Are you referring to the Avatar SB112? If so, the price sure seems right.

hobbes1 · #65 11-28-2012, 11:42 AM

he is referring to the sb112. they are good value for money. are they the best? no, but they sound quite good.

SpinyNorman · #66 11-28-2012, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by bassdude51

I'm understanding that you want a high end kind of 1-12 and you want to buy 2 cabs. You're reluctant to spend the bucks but realize that it's probably what you got to do to be satisified.

So...........buy something niczzzzzzze!

I hear what you're saying, but that would be too easy.

Face it, most of us here are a bunch of GASers. If I simply went out and bought a pair of Berg's, I would guarantee that in a week or two I'd be thinking about the Baers, or wondering if I could have achieved something close with a cheaper cabinet. Scarily, I know what I'm capable of doing (as I look over at the last bass I purchased, number 18). Funny, one of the guys I work with told me to *stop* referring to it as my "last" purchase. He said I should refer to it as my "most recent" purchase.

Anyway, my TH500 should be here in the next day or so, and I'll start playing around with it using my Hartke and Ampeg cabinets. I'm curious how the head will sound with the "big boys". I'll scout the used market for a single Berg/Aguilar/Baer/Hartke/GK/Avatar/GB, and play musical cabinets until I find the "perfect" cab.

I'll keep posting as I spend myself into the poor house.

SpinyNorman · #67 11-28-2012, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by hobbes1

he is referring to the sb112. they are good value for money. are they the best? no, but they sound quite good.

Is there a huge tonal difference between the ceramic and neo magnets? Adding $30 for the neo sounds like a cheap way to shave a few pounds off the rig.

I may be wrong, but there appears to be a move away from neo's, but it seems to be driven more by the increasing cost of neodymium, and not due to the sonic superiority of ceramic. I have a hunch this has been beaten to death on TB.

Robear22 · #68 11-28-2012, 01:53 PM

Here is a link to a thread by a TBer about the focus cabs. I am in the same boat and can't decide between the Aguilar, Hartke, or Genz Benz. I use a more modern tone playing gospel and r&b. The focus seems to be what I need at an excellent price but the wattage is what is scaring me seeing as I play in some loud situations at times.

Genz Benz - Streamliner + Focus LT 112's

hobbes1 · #69 11-28-2012, 01:56 PM

i don't know that there is a huge difference in the tone of ceramic vs. neo but the weight difference is there. the deltalite 2512 is a 250w speaker, it's light and IMHO sounds quite good. people have been moving away from neo speakers from what i can see, when the prices spiked. i think GK kept right on making their well regarded neo series as they have an arrangement with china (so i've read). their prices stayed pretty reasonable.

SpinyNorman · #70 11-28-2012, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by hobbes1

i don't know that there is a huge difference in the tone of ceramic vs. neo but the weight difference is there. the deltalite 2512 is a 250w speaker, it's light and IMHO sounds quite good. people have been moving away from neo speakers from what i can see, when the prices spiked. i think GK kept right on making their well regarded neo series as they have an arrangement with china (so i've read). their prices stayed pretty reasonable.

Yea, that's what I thought. The move (back) to ceramics appears to be driven by cost, and not performance. That's not to say that one doesn't have to design differently for the two. Reading some of the posts from the manufacturers almost gives you the impression that they had to (re)learn how to work with ceramic magnets (again).

kai_ski · #71 11-28-2012, 03:10 PM

The price, performance & weight combo of the GK Neo series definitely sold me. I have 2x212's but the 112's sounded great to my ear as well! Make sure you give them a whirl.

You can always paint the grills (as many have,) if that's something that you don't like about them. The tolex is pretty good, I like it because I have a dog. I bought a pair of LeCovers for mine, keeps them in fine condition.

**bassdude51** · #72 11-28-2012, 03:16 PM

Ceramic speakers do have a higher power rating than neo.

I can't remember where I read it but China is about the only source for the mineral for neo magnets and they are either stopping or greatly reducing export.

So, it might be "bye bye" for neo.

**Chef** · #73 11-28-2012, 03:17 PM

No...China are the only ones really mining it right now. It exists plenty of other places.
Plenty of people are still making neo drivers, and the price has come way down from it's peak.

taliesin · #74 11-28-2012, 03:30 PM

I have a single Berg 112 - after playing a stack of 2 of them at the Toronto GTG last weekend I've bought one of them and will be getting it next week.

The sound of the 2 stacked 112's was fabulous. It was powered by a GB Streamliner (900 I think) not sure how that matches up with your head though.

I was playing a jazz not a p-bass but I loved the sound of them.

KJung · #75 11-28-2012, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by bassdude51

Ceramic speakers do have a higher power rating than neo.

I can't remember where I read it but China is about the only source for the mineral for neo magnets and they are either stopping or greatly reducing export.

So, it might be "bye bye" for neo.

Nope, nope, and nope

SJan3 · #76 12-02-2012, 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by SpinyNorman

Hmmm, farting out would be bad. I play a 4 string 95% of the time, but I do grab a 5 string on occasion. 'Nothing worse than a farty B.

I think this is an unfair characterization of the GS cabs. I found them to have big, perhaps rumbly lows but they handle lots of power w/o farting out. IME

SpinyNorman · #77 12-03-2012, 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by SJan3

I think this is an unfair characterization of the GS cabs. I found them to have big, perhaps rumbly lows but they handle lots of power w/o farting out. IME

I have a chance to pick up a GS112 for $300, so I think it's worth taking a shot.

liam_g · #78 12-03-2012, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by SpinyNorman

I have a chance to pick up a GS112 for $300, so I think it's worth taking a shot.

Just remember that they are very scooped ...

Liam

MarTONEbass · #79 12-03-2012, 10:38 AM

Just to throw in my 2 cents as I have been through this a few times, although our tonal goals are a bit different: the Berg HT112 stack is a great choice for 4 string, but the lows are not good for the low B. The AE112s might be a good choice for you if you can find them used as they are discontinued, but they were too grindy form me, not clear enough through the tonal range. Yes, the GS Aggies are scooped, so if you like mid-forward P bass tones, steer clear (the DB series sounds up your alley, though).

Similar are the Epifani cabs. The UL series seem a bit more scooped in the upper mids. I currently have an older pair of T112 Epifanis and the mids seem less scooped to my ear, and I'm loving them.

GRoberts · #80 12-03-2012, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by MarTONEbass

Just to throw in my 2 cents as I have been through this a few times, although our tonal goals are a bit different: the Berg HT112 stack is a great choice for 4 string, but the lows are not good for the low B. The AE112s might be a good choice for you if you can find them used as they are discontinued, but they were too grindy form me, not clear enough through the tonal range. Yes, the GS Aggies are scooped, so if you like mid-forward P bass tones, steer clear (the DB series sounds up your alley, though).

Similar are the Epifani cabs. The UL series seem a bit more scooped in the upper mids. I currently have an older pair of T112 Epifanis and the mids seem less scooped to my ear, and I'm loving them.

So I keep coming back to three options: Bergantino HD112, Baer ML112, Gk Neo II 1x12's. The Aguilar DB's are a bit big and deep and the SL112's just don't do it for me based on reports from a feller TB'er who has very very similar basses, and tonal goals.