Yet Another (2) x 112 Thread

[KJung]

Originally Posted by nordyboy

I think that if I still had my vertical ae 210 then I would be looking for a second one, but now I have the ml's I am appreciating the extra lows that they provide.
The cab I miss most of all is the HD 212 which is slightly ahead of the HS 410 imho, unfortunately both of those cabs tip the scales the wrong way but sound amazing. I love the sound of ceramic but am torn away by the portability of neo, with a bit of high mid cut I am tonally right there though.
My music room is not as big as Toms! So I can't keep them all.

+1 I LOVE my AE212. Wider and more even than the AE410, smaller, lighter, same maximum volume. Pretty much my dream cab, and it sees LOTS of gig time. Really easy schlep on a small cart, and with the Glockenklang Blue Soul, IMO it is one of the finest sounding and performing rigs out there. I would dig the HD212 also, but too heavy.

Interesting that the AE212 sounds SO different than the AE112 x 2 stack, which I wasn't impressed with much. The AE212 is SO much bigger sounding down low, and much smoother up top. The AE210 (II) is a nice 'small cab' version of the AE212.... not as much down low of course, but very similar in the mids and top end. GREAT improvement over the original AE210, that was a bit too rough up top for me. Anyway, lets hope Jim gets back in the neo business. IMO, the AE212 is the nicest sounding neo cab ever produced.

That being said, the upcoming Baer ML212 should be amazing also, but is closer to the HD212 weight.

[Baird6869]

I hate derails, but I went thru the same 12" exercise earlier this year. I ended up buying 2 Berg AE210's for approx $1000 for a mint but used pair.

My reasoning was that a single 12 would rarely be enough cab for most of my gigs and a single 210 Berg was enough cab, and light enough to be carried with one hand.
If you are stuck on 12s, Baers might be the way to go and they get a lot of love here. The Aggies are also great cabs.

I don't really like the Mesa PH12 but the Traynor is surprisingly nice.

Another inexpensive option might be a pair of TC RS112's. I have one and it sounds pretty good. Maybe not Berg good, but I still use it every week for rehearsal with a Monique Pre and a Crest power amp. It has been solid since I bought it on release. 3-4 years?

[KJung]

Originally Posted by Baird6869

I hate derails, but I went thru the same 12" exercise earlier this year. I ended up buying 2 Berg AE210's for approx $1000 for a mint but used pair.

My reasoning was that a single 12 would rarely be enough cab for most of my gigs and a single 210 Berg was enough cab, and light enough to be carried with one hand.
If you are stuck on 12s, Baers might be the way to go and they get a lot of love here. The Aggies are also great cabs.

I don't really like the Mesa PH12 but the Traynor is surprisingly nice.

Another inexpensive option might be a pair of TC RS112's. I have one and it sounds pretty good. Maybe not Berg good, but I still use it every week for rehearsal with a Monique Pre and a Crest power amp. It has been solid since I bought it on release. 3-4 years?

I think the thread has more than run its course, so a little OT seems OK.

The cool thing about a 12 like the Baer ML112 that uses a super heavy duty woofer, is that it will keep up with virtually any 210. Of course, the ML112 box is actually larger than my AE210, so no real advantage there. However, there are 112's now that (FINALLY) you can do a medium sized gig with no problem.... AudiokinesisTC112, Berg HD112, fEArful 12/6, LDS 12/6, Baer ML112, etc.

[nordyboy]

Originally Posted by KJung

+1 I LOVE my AE212. Wider and more even than the AE410, smaller, lighter, same maximum volume. Pretty much my dream cab, and it sees LOTS of gig time. Really easy schlep on a small cart, and with the Glockenklang Blue Soul, IMO it is one of the finest sounding and performing rigs out there. I would dig the HD212 also, but too heavy.

Interesting that the AE212 sounds SO different than the AE112 x 2 stack, which I wasn't impressed with much. The AE212 is SO much bigger sounding down low, and much smoother up top. The AE210 (II) is a nice 'small cab' version of the AE212.... not as much down low of course, but very similar in the mids and top end. GREAT improvement over the original AE210, that was a bit too rough up top for me. Anyway, lets hope Jim gets back in the neo business. IMO, the AE212 is the nicest sounding neo cab ever produced.

That being said, the upcoming Baer ML212 should be amazing also, but is closer to the HD212 weight.

I totally agree, I had the original AE 112 stack and really did not get on with it, AE 212 was a bi step forward, I think I made a mistake selling mine, having said that the HD 212 a bit beefier to my ears.
I would still own that cab if it were lighter.
Am intrigued by the Blue Soul, Mark has one in his shop at the moment.... I think I want something that sounds a bit rougher to complement the shuttle though.

[Musicman20]

Jim definitely needs to get back into the Neo game.

[GRoberts]

Originally Posted by Musicman20

Jim definitely needs to get back into the Neo game.

That would be HUGE!

[nordyboy]

Originally Posted by GRoberts

That would be HUGE!

But unlikely!

[GRoberts]

Originally Posted by nordyboy

But unlikely!

Yes, I am aware of that too. Cool idea however!

[nostatic]

Originally Posted by Baird6869

My reasoning was that a single 12 would rarely be enough cab for most of my gigs and a single 210 Berg was enough cab, and light enough to be carried with one hand.

fwiw so far I'd say a single ML112 is pretty much the same volumewise as an AE210 - plus it has a bit more low. Form factor is a little different but both can be run "vertical." Really is more the character of the sound, as the AE210 has extended highs due to the tweeter, ML112 a little more low end extension.

[GRoberts]

Originally Posted by nostatic

fwiw so far I'd say a single ML112 is pretty much the same volumewise as an AE210 - plus it has a bit more low. Form factor is a little different but both can be run "vertical." Really is more the character of the sound, as the AE210 has extended highs due to the tweeter, ML112 a little more low end extension.

I've been moving toward more low-end extension, as long as it is not boomy or overly round. So that would give a strong nod to the Baer ML112 over an AE210 and is a nice report. I like rich and full performance from a back-friendly, portable 1x12 cab. *(yet ultimately, I will be opting for a pair in the long run)

I might follow Eublets lead and start with one ML112 ...eases the initial $$ outlay and lets me check it out for openers.

[Eublet]

I'm going to try and make this my last cabinet purchase for a long time. Everything I've owned in the last 5 years was 95% perfect for me anyway, and I've squabbled over that last 5% or so. Considering what it costs to search for that last 5%, it's really stupid and I'm determined to stop. So, if the ML112 is 95% or better, then it'll be my last cab, so help me God. I might purchase a 2nd one to add to it down the road, but that is really it. I'll post up some thoughts when I get it.

[Chef]

Man, one sentence later and you're already giving yourself an out...that's better than I do even

Originally Posted by Eublet

So, if the ML112 is 95% or better, then it'll be my last cab, so help me God.....



I might purchase a 2nd one to add to it down the road, but that is really it.

[GRoberts]

Originally Posted by Eublet

I'm going to try and make this my last cabinet purchase for a long time. Everything I've owned in the last 5 years was 95% perfect for me anyway, and I've squabbled over that last 5% or so. Considering what it costs to search for that last 5%, it's really stupid and I'm determined to stop. So, if the ML112 is 95% or better, then it'll be my last cab, so help me God. I might purchase a 2nd one to add to it down the road, but that is really it. I'll post up some thoughts when I get it.

Man, you are singing the same song as my choir! That last 5% gets pricey doesn't it. The search for the sonic holy grail .... will it ever end? I thought it did quite a while ago. The problem was; I actually evolved and improved, and then started playing different music and my needs changed. Then my back got tired and my gear got smaller. ....What next? Ya know?

What is the delivery time frame for your ML112 Jason? I am excited for you and don't think it will be long before I do the same thing. But at this point, I'm gonna wait for your feedback to gather another data point since I have worthy gear to keep me gigging for the time being.

[GRoberts]

Originally Posted by Chef

Man, one sentence later and you're already giving yourself an out...that's better than I do even

You don't miss miss much do you Alan?

PS: Eublets comment about the Bear ML112 being his last cab purchase, followed by a sentence saying he might add just 'one more' reminds of the time I was heart broken. I called my girlfriend to say; I'm calling to tell you I'm not gonna call you anymore. ....I believe she may have asked; So ....which is it?

[Eublet]

Originally Posted by Chef

Man, one sentence later and you're already giving yourself an out...that's better than I do even

Hey, well, you!

[Eublet]

Originally Posted by GRoberts

Man, you are singing the same song as my choir! That last 5% gets pricey doesn't it. The search for the sonic holy grail .... will it ever end? I thought it did quite a while ago. The problem was; I actually evolved and improved, and then started playing different music and my needs changed. Then my back got tired and my gear got smaller. ....What next? Ya know?

What is the delivery time frame for your ML112 Jason? I am excited for you and don't think it will be long before I do the same thing. But at this point, I'm gonna wait for your feedback to gather another data point since I have worthy gear to keep me gigging for the time being.

Not sure on delivery just yet. When I asked Roger about shipping a few weeks back, he said it would be quick. Not sure if things have changed since then, but hopefully they still have stock. I have to call them in a bit to finalize the order. I'm on one of those long conference calls with my day job right now where all I have to do is sit here and play on the internet until it's over.

[nostatic]

Originally Posted by Chef

Man, one sentence later and you're already giving yourself an out...that's better than I do even

You don't need to publish an out - we already know you'll have another cab 2 weeks from now

[liam_g]

Originally Posted by SpinyNorman

Lol. I took the first two steps. First, I received my Aguilar Tone Hammer 500 from Amazon last week. You should be seeing an Ampeg SVT-CL in the classified section at some point in the near future.

Second, I just purchased a pair of Genz Benz Focus 112's. At $440 shipped, the price was right.

I'm still on the lookout for a used GK-Neo112/Baer-ML112/Aggie-DB112/Berg-HT112ER. I think I may have to take a pass on the Aggie GS112, as reading the reviews on the DB112's seems to point to this cab as being a better fits for my tonal needs.

Be sure to post your impressions of the Focus cabs here when you get a chance to try them out!

Cheers,
Liam

[cnltb]

Musiciansounddesign make a very nice 1x12 too!
The ironman III
http://musiciansounddesign.de/

[nordyboy]

Originally Posted by GRoberts

I've been moving toward more low-end extension, as long as it is not boomy or overly round. So that would give a strong nod to the Baer ML112 over an AE210 and is a nice report. I like rich and full performance from a back-friendly, portable 1x12 cab. *(yet ultimately, I will be opting for a pair in the long run)

I might follow Eublets lead and start with one ML112 ...eases the initial $$ outlay and lets me check it out for openers.

The Baer is also available new which has to be a big advantage over the berg which in its later form as a used cab is about as rare as hens teeth