Yo Genz Benz!

[jmattbassplaya]

Is there any chance you guys are planning on releasing a Neo 4x12 cabinet? I've been using two of your Neox 212t's on gigs for about two years now with my Aguilar DB750 (now 751), and I'm beginning to crave a single 4x12 enclosure to make schlepping things a bit easier. If it helps, I wouldn't mind being your guys' guinea pig for any prototypes you make

[svtb15]

I too would love a 412 for larger gigs.....

[Cycho]

It seems to me a pair of 2x12's would be easier to shlep than a single 4x12. Easier to pack and lighter to carry. The 4x12 would save you a trip, I suppose.

[guy n. cognito]

Not many cab manufacturers racing to build 412s nowadays......

Besides, your 212t stack is impressive!!!

[agedhorse]

Originally Posted by Cycho

It seems to me a pair of 2x12's would be easier to shlep than a single 4x12. Easier to pack and lighter to carry. The 4x12 would save you a trip, I suppose.

This is precicely the reason why we offer the 212's.

Also, 4 ohm 212's work well for folks who have the ShuttleMax 12.0 (2 x 4 ohm loads) and other large stand alone stereo power amps.

[Bmorefoozler]

It might be difficult... with their current 8 ohm drivers they would have to choose between 2 ohms, 8 ohms and dual 4 ohm mono. Since none of their current lightweight heads are 2 ohms, it would basically be a choice between 8 ohms(ehh) and dual 4 ohms, which is basically jsut like stacking 2 current cabs. If they could score a 16 ohm version of their driver, it might help give them a push.

[gjbassist]

Originally Posted by Cycho

It seems to me a pair of 2x12's would be easier to shlep than a single 4x12. Easier to pack and lighter to carry. The 4x12 would save you a trip, I suppose.

My thought as well. How is carrying a larger, heavier 4x12 easier than two 2x12's?

[Bmorefoozler]

Originally Posted by gjbassist

My thought as well. How is carrying a larger, heavier 4x12 easier than two 2x12's?

if the large, heavy cab has wheels, a towel bar and never needs to be deadlifted... Large cabs can be leveraged into vehicles and onto some stages without ever picking the entirety up.

[two fingers]

Originally Posted by Bmorefoozler

if the large, heavy cab has wheels, a towel bar and never needs to be deadlifted... Large cabs can be leveraged into vehicles and onto some stages without ever picking the entirety up.

Indeed. People say I'm crazy when I tell them this, but it's a LOT easier to move an Ampeg 8-10 than it is a 4-10 cab. With the 8-10, you just kind of drag it around by the wheels. But you have to actually pick up the 4-10 even if just to set it on a cart.

[georgestrings]

Originally Posted by two fingers

Indeed. People say I'm crazy when I tell them this, but it's a LOT easier to move an Ampeg 8-10 than it is a 4-10 cab. With the 8-10, you just kind of drag it around by the wheels. But you have to actually pick up the 4-10 even if just to set it on a cart.

Absolutely - I'll take my Mesa 810 over two of their 410s, any day...


- georgestrings

[agedhorse]

Any time you encounter stairs, or a dead lift to the stage, smaller lighter cabinets generally have an advantage. Not always, but usually.

[jmattbassplaya]

Originally Posted by agedhorse

This is precicely the reason why we offer the 212's.

Also, 4 ohm 212's work well for folks who have the ShuttleMax 12.0 (2 x 4 ohm loads) and other large stand alone stereo power amps.

Believe it or not, the 212t's really aren't that enjoyable of a thing to schlep around over long distances. I'm already a pretty short dude at 5'8'', but even I have to hunch over in order to grab the handles so that I can use the casters on the cab. It's incredibly awkward, and it hurts my back a good bit. If you guys developed a way to extend the handles out so that they weren't so low to the ground that would definitely be a start. As they are now, however, I don't see how anyone over my height could comfortably move this particular cab around without using a dolly, but that's just IMHO. Keep in mind, the weight is definitely not the issue

[jmattbassplaya]

Originally Posted by Bmorefoozler

if the large, heavy cab has wheels, a towel bar and never needs to be deadlifted... Large cabs can be leveraged into vehicles and onto some stages without ever picking the entirety up.

Originally Posted by two fingers

Indeed. People say I'm crazy when I tell them this, but it's a LOT easier to move an Ampeg 8-10 than it is a 4-10 cab. With the 8-10, you just kind of drag it around by the wheels. But you have to actually pick up the 4-10 even if just to set it on a cart.

Originally Posted by georgestrings

Absolutely - I'll take my Mesa 810 over two of their 410s, any day...


- georgestrings

Yes, yes, and yes!

[jmattbassplaya]

So any other folks from Genz Benz want to lend their voice to the discussion?

[cybersnyder]

Originally Posted by jmattbassplaya

So any other folks from Genz Benz want to lend their voice to the discussion?

Not trying to be a wise a--, but if agedhorse says something Genz Benz related, it's gospel.

[main_sale]

I turned in my G-B XB410 for a pair of NeoX 212T's and have never looked back!

[jlepre]

Originally Posted by cybersnyder

Not trying to be a wise a--, but if agedhorse says something Genz Benz related, it's gospel.

+1

[DWBass]

Originally Posted by main_sale

Mommy!!

I have an old school 410T XB. Heavy as sin! Would love to have 2 210's to replace it with.

[agedhorse]

Originally Posted by main_sale

I turned in my G-B XB410 for a pair of NeoX 212T's and have never looked back!

This is actually a pretty common pairing, I know of a couple folks who have almost the same rig. One guy angles the cabinets in towards himself a little for the feel (depending on the room). Another guy stacks the vertically when he uses his compact amp and needs to keep his footprint as small as possible. Others use one or two cabinets depending on the gig, There are more ways to use 2 x 212's than a single 412, thart's another reason why they are more popular.

[vin*tone]

Originally Posted by jmattbassplaya

... I have to hunch over in order to grab the handles so that I can use the casters on the cab. It's incredibly awkward, and it hurts my back a good bit...

Ouch! Bend the knees. Take care.