your thoughts on a 2 head + 2 cab setup

[sailorofcheese]

hello,

I'd appreciate your input. From what i read, this is definitely possible. so i plan on running 2 genz benz 6.0 heads, each one powering 1 4ohm acme low bII cab. anyone out there doing this? any type of issues?

the way i see it, if i have a smaller gig, 1 acme and 1 genz benz. if i need to get louder the 2x2 setup. I know there's the genz benz shuttle max 12 which is basically 2 6.0's in one but tons of knobs, which im not a huge fan with since i normally keep the EQ flat.

any thoughts?

[KsPiNeSh]

Why not just keep the knobs flat and save yourself some complication? I can understand if you prefer the voicing of the Shuttle 6.0 - seems like it would be a simple enough deal.

[billfitzmaurice]

Get 8 ohm cabs and one amp. The difference between what that will put out and what you propose is slight. If you insist on having more power (that you probably won't need) get a 9.0.

Why not just keep the knobs flat and save yourself some complication?

Knobs are there to be used. Otherwise they wouldn't be there at all.

[JimmyM]

I'm down with two separate amps if you want to use different cabs or want to blend two completely different EQ's, but since you want the same sound out of both, I'm with them...get two 8 ohm cabs and a Shuttle 9 or 12.

[jeff7bass]

I’m down with what Jimmy said. If you want to mix the amps differently, say one for depth/warmth and one for bite/overdrive/chorus/whatever, there’s no better way to do it.
If not, I think that you should probably sell the 12.0 and get something like a Carvin BX1500, which has two internal amps (separate volume knobs, active crossover) and pumps out 450w per amp @ 4 ohms. Very simple, effective solution. Keep those cabs, ACME's are top notch.

Then keep your 6.0 for small gigs (one cab), rehearsals, etc…

[ButtUglyJeff]

A Shuttle 6.0 runs at 600 watts, at 4 ohms. I bet you'd be surprised how much volume you get out of a couple of 8 ohm 212s or 410s

[kaputsport]

I will be in this boat when my package arrives today... Two Marshall DBS 7400 heads into two cabs (sometimes 3).

They will sound close to each other, but the 4x10 will be brighter and have some serious attack, and the 1x15 will be deep lows. The 2x10 might also get effects through it, etc as the 4x10 will.

[bassjam]

Originally Posted by JimmyM

I'm down with two separate amps if you want to use different cabs or want to blend two completely different EQ's, but since you want the same sound out of both, I'm with them...get two 8 ohm cabs and a Shuttle 9 or 12.

My thoughts too with the ShuttleMax12.Personally Id prefer that with 2 4ohm cabs.

[AwkwardLoudness]

I like to mix two rigs in stereo with a mix of clean/bassy in one and middy/overdriven in the other. Or, sometimes I'll just run wet/dry (effects through one amp+cab, no effects through the other).

[JimmyM]

Originally Posted by bassjam

My thoughts too with the ShuttleMax12.Personally Id prefer that with 2 4ohm cabs.

Ya, in the case of the SM12 it would be fine, I guess, since it can handle two 4 ohm loads.

[fishtx]

Do you currently own two SH6.0 head and two 4-ohm cabs?...If so what you want to do makes perfect sense to me...But if you are planning to purchase this gear, I would say go with the SM12.0 and a couple of 4-ohm cabs.

[JimmyM]

If he already has the gear, why not do that? I was thinking he didn't have an amp yet.

[sailorofcheese]

Originally Posted by JimmyM

I'm down with two separate amps if you want to use different cabs or want to blend two completely different EQ's, but since you want the same sound out of both, I'm with them...get two 8 ohm cabs and a Shuttle 9 or 12.

hey jimmy. I'm definitely interested experimenting with EQ blending. possibly keeping one signal clean and flat and the other "colored"/add some tube grind/eq bumping.

guys, thanks for the input and the suggestions.
I have 1 shuttle 6.0 and 2 acme 4ohms already. I thought i could use the 2nd GB head as a backup at the smaller gigs. but when i need more, both heads.

as far as the 2 8ohm cabs deal goes....great idea and i pondered about this. that's not an option at this point. i think it may be cheaper/less hassle to go with the 2 heads. plus i feel like the 600 watts into 4ohms drives the acme nicely. hmmmm i guess this is settled?

[rodl2005]

Originally Posted by ButtUglyJeff

A Shuttle 6.0 runs at 600 watts, at 4 ohms. I bet you'd be surprised how much volume you get out of a couple of 8 ohm 212s or 410s

Totally!

[Rockin Mike]

I'm very happy with this setup:

Rig #1:
Eden WT550 + Eden D410xlt

Rig #2:
SWR Super Redhead 2x10 combo amp

Rig #3:
Both together.
Signal goes first to a volume pedal so I can keep all the volumes relative to each other. Then to the input on the Eden head, out the tuner jack and into the redhead (this is valid according to the Eden manual). The tuner jack is before any of the Eden's electronics so it's a true passthrough. Effects are in the redhead's effects loop only.

Both rigs sound great separately but synergize very well.

Versatility:
Small gigs - redhead only. Fits in my front seat.
Medium gigs or anything mellow - Eden rig only
Big gigs or hard rock/metal - both rigs

For the combined rig I EQ the Eden for a really tight punchy bottom end with subdued treble. I EQ the redhead for mids/highs and roll off the bass. I'm not using an actual crossover, I tune them by ear to get the best out of each. It's a kind of pseudo bi-amp, if you will.

Effects sound really good. A lot of pedals will muddy up or cut bass frequencies, so running them only through the redhead still allows the Eden to run the low side at 100% quality.

If I had it to do over I might get a hardier combo amp instead of the redhead. redhead sounds great but I have heard people say you can blow the speakers pretty quick if you push it too hard. I can take proper care of it myself, but it's probably not a good choice to take to open mic night and let every stranger futz around with it.

[fishtx]

Originally Posted by sailorofcheese

guys, thanks for the input and the suggestions.
I have 1 shuttle 6.0 and 2 acme 4ohms already. I thought i could use the 2nd GB head as a backup at the smaller gigs. but when i need more, both heads.

OK, so you have most of the setup already...I was just trying to clarify what you already had vs what you need to buy for the config you want, and see what the most cost effective option for you would be.

You can probably find a second used shuttle 6.0 for a great price and be all set...Or sell the 6.0 you have and get a SM12.0...I would shop around for both options and see what is the most cost effecive way to go.

[jeff7bass]

Originally Posted by Rockin Mike

I'm very happy with this setup:

Rig #1:
Eden WT550 + Eden D410xlt

Rig #2:
SWR Super Redhead 2x10 combo amp

Rig #3:
Both together.
Signal goes first to a volume pedal so I can keep all the volumes relative to each other. Then to the input on the Eden head, out the tuner jack and into the redhead (this is valid according to the Eden manual). The tuner jack is before any of the Eden's electronics so it's a true passthrough. Effects are in the redhead's effects loop only.

Both rigs sound great separately but synergize very well.

Versatility:
Small gigs - redhead only. Fits in my front seat.
Medium gigs or anything mellow - Eden rig only
Big gigs or hard rock/metal - both rigs

For the combined rig I EQ the Eden for a really tight punchy bottom end with subdued treble. I EQ the redhead for mids/highs and roll off the bass. I'm not using an actual crossover, I tune them by ear to get the best out of each. It's a kind of pseudo bi-amp, if you will.

Effects sound really good. A lot of pedals will muddy up or cut bass frequencies, so running them only through the redhead still allows the Eden to run the low side at 100% quality.

If I had it to do over I might get a hardier combo amp instead of the redhead. redhead sounds great but I have heard people say you can blow the speakers pretty quick if you push it too hard. I can take proper care of it myself, but it's probably not a good choice to take to open mic night and let every stranger futz around with it.

I bet that sounds awesome. Very much like what I have said I would do if running a multiple amp/cab setup.

[fishtx]

Originally Posted by fishtx

OK, so you have most of the setup already...I was just trying to clarify what you already had vs what you need to buy for the config you want, and see what the most cost effective option for you would be.

You can probably find a second used shuttle 6.0 for a great price and be all set...Or sell the 6.0 you have and get a SM12.0...I would shop around for both options and see what is the most cost effecive way to go.

I just did some poking around in the classifieds, and you could pick up a 6.0 used for around $500...or you could sell your 6.0 for around $500, and get a SM12.0 used for around $700/750...

Having said that, the most cost effective way to go (IMO), might be to sell your 6.0 head and get a used SM12.0...you would only be out-of-pocket about $250/300 max...

Just an option to consider...would be less gear to carry, and still provide you with basically the same 2-amp configuration you are look for...

[sailorofcheese]

the prices for shuttle 6's have really inflated. I'll wait awhile. I remember seeing several for $375-425 not even less than a year ago. I wait till i find a better deal and keep my eye out for the SM12.0 as well. thanks. i'll definitely keep an open mind

-steven