6 string / Audere pre settings

[groov'ster]

Guys I had a tough choice to make the other day between keeping my Smith and my Roscoe. I just couldnt part with the Roscoe.

One of the reasons I did consider letting it go was b/c of the Audere. Not that is a bad pre but I have found it SO versatile that I have yet to really find my sound. There are a multitude of sounds / tones capable with the thing.

Example...with my Smith was plug and play, no tweaking.

I know I am asking a very broad question and there alot of variables to consider but I'm asking anyways.

I like to stand out in the mix, I like a lil growl, and I like the hi-fi sound.

You say thats easy to dial up , it has not been for me.

I will take any feedback.

Help a fellow roscoe buddy.

[groov'ster]

never mind....I just put KS strings on....best sound I have had yet and almost spot on with the sound I am after.

I appreciate all the posts though.....

[JOME77]

I too let a Smith go in favor of a Roscoe!

The Smith's are great sounding basses and excellent construction but IMO the Roscoe's are capable of getting more usable sounds.

I have the Audere pre in my 3005 and I run it pretty much flat most of the time with maybe a slight boost in the low mids (Z-mode switch in the center position).
For a slap tone I usually cut the upper mids just bit, boost the highs and sometimes engage the Z-mode switch in the bright mode (toward the bridge).
IMO the Audere is the most versatile pre offered by Roscoe.

Glad that you're starting to find your tone on yours!

[Shiveringbass]

Hello Groov'ster,

First for KS strings, there are great. My freted is also fitted with KS stainless.


Then for the pre, it will probably not help you much but I see things differently.

For me, a preamp is there to make minor adjustments when you want to adapt your sound for instance to cut through a busy mix or play a particular technic (high boost for slapping).

imho, if your tone is not there at all when the preamp is flat and it requires heavy tweak and shaping to get where you want,the bass or its electronics may just not be the right horse for you.


That's the reason which make me change all the elec of my freted Roscoe going from a all Bart setup to Delano pickups and Glockenklang electronic. Now I'm right where I wanted to be tonewize.


Good luck and maybe some other Roscoehead will help you anyway in finding some settings.

Regards

Ludo

[lsu921]

Originally Posted by groov'ster

never mind....I just put KS strings on....best sound I have had yet and almost spot on with the sound I am after.

I appreciate all the posts though.....

Nice to see another Louisiana guy in the Roscoe forum. Church player to boot!

I think you got little response for two reason. 1) This forum isn't super busy 2) That's a tough question to answer. Tone is such a subjective thing, plus there are so many factors involved. What's your bass made of? What pickups? What kind of rig? What type of music? How many guitars? Loud drummer? ..and on and on.

I generally start flat with any bass, and tweak from there. A good bass will sound good with nothing boosted. I have a Demeter preamp in my current Roscoe, which is a little mid scooped, so I find myself giving a healthy dose of mid boost on my bass. Everything else on the bass stays flat. I still haven't figured out what the mid switch on the Demeter does? Anyway, I guess my advice is start with everything flat on the bass and your amp, and take it from there. There's no one setting that'll work for everyone. Let your ears be the judge.

[groov'ster]

Geaux Tigers....

I have held off on even asking the question for a while and figured I would not get alot of responses.

I asked here b/c its a Roscoe.

I will continue to play and tweak it...The feel of the bass absolutley kills, I will get my sound it will take some time.

The strings have made the single most leap towards it yet.

[groov'ster]

Originally Posted by Shiveringbass

the reason which make me change all the elec of my freted Roscoe going from a all Bart setup to Delano pickups and Glockenklang electronic. Now I'm right where I wanted to be tonewize.


Good luck and maybe some other Roscoehead will help you anyway in finding some settings.

Regards

Ludo

I just found and PM'd crashclint b/c I saw he had a GK preamp for sale in the classifieds. I think I will pick it up.

Do you have a 5 or 6 string?

I have considered the Delano pup's as well.

[lsu921]

Originally Posted by groov'ster

Geaux Tigers....

I have held off on even asking the question for a while and figured I would not get alot of responses.

I asked here b/c its a Roscoe.

I will continue to play and tweak it...The feel of the bass absolutley kills, I will get my sound it will take some time.

The strings have made the single most leap towards it yet.

Yeah buddy! I've got some 24 oz. T-Bones marinating right now. They'll be ready before the first pitch tomorrow night!

Do you have Bart or Nordstrand pickups? I would suggest you take a look at the Nordy's too if you don't have them. If you're ever around BR, you're welcome to check out mine.

[T. B. Player]

Originally Posted by lsu921

Yeah buddy! I've got some 24 oz. T-Bones marinating right now. They'll be ready before the first pitch tomorrow night!

Do you have Bart or Nordstrand pickups? I would suggest you take a look at the Nordy's too if you don't have them. If you're ever around BR, you're welcome to check out mine.

Congrats on the LSU ladies' NCAA track win today!!

Z

[maurilio]

Originally Posted by lsu921

....... I have a Demeter preamp...... I still haven't figured out what the mid switch on the Demeter does?......

If it's a standard Demeter pre, the switch change the "Q" on the mid ctrl (1Khz). On the Roscoe Demeter the switch change the eq points from 500hz to 850hz (fixed "Q").

M

[lsu921]

Originally Posted by maurilio

If it's a standard Demeter pre, the switch change the "Q" on the mid ctrl (1Khz). On the Roscoe Demeter the switch change the eq points from 500hz to 850hz (fixed "Q").

M

Thanks for the info. It's the Roscoe Demeter preamp. Just seems like a real subtle change even with the mid knob dimed.

[groov'ster]

Originally Posted by lsu921

Yeah buddy! I've got some 24 oz. T-Bones marinating right now. They'll be ready before the first pitch tomorrow night!

Do you have Bart or Nordstrand pickups? I would suggest you take a look at the Nordy's too if you don't have them. If you're ever around BR, you're welcome to check out mine.

I will keep that in mind...I do go over to the perfect bass from time to time. It has been a while though.

I have the barts but have considered the nordy's after reading good reviews.

[Shiveringbass]

You can find my full review of Glock pre and Delano pickups here :
Glockenklang Preamp

Originally Posted by groov'ster

I just found and PM'd crashclint b/c I saw he had a GK preamp for sale in the classifieds. I think I will pick it up.

Do you have a 5 or 6 string?

I have considered the Delano pup's as well.

[JOME77]

Originally Posted by lsu921

Thanks for the info. It's the Roscoe Demeter preamp. Just seems like a real subtle change even with the mid knob dimed.

Yeah, the Demeter mid switch is very subtle. If you really boost the mids on the amp and bass, you can determine that the switch is working. The lack of mid control is probably the one thing that always bothered me with the Demeter pre. (although the Roscoe version is much better in that area than the standard Demeter).
Of course that's also the beauty of the Demeter pre. It's open and very hi-fi.

[CrashClint]

I have a Demeter Preamp again!

About a month or so ago, I called Tyler at Glockenklang USA and inquired about a 4 knob version like Ludo (shiveringbass) has. Tyler called the factory and got 5 of the 4 knob preamps built. Tyler asked me if there was a dealer I wanted to ship these through, So I called The Perfect Bass. I told Brandt about the preamps and he said he would purchase them through his shop. These come with Volume (Push/Pull/Active/Passive), Balance, Mid, stacked Bass/Treble. In the Passive mode it kind of has that old school vibe, like a "P" bass.

When Glockenklang shipped the preamps, they came with some assembly required. They did not come with a 1/4" jack and you have to make and solder some leads to the PC board. I figured since some of my soldering handy work has been in the NI cabinets of many a nuclear submarine and aircraft carrier and I haven't heard of any melt downs, this shouldn't be so bad. So I installed a 1/4" jack and made all the leads I needed and soldered them to the Glockenklang PC boards, battery, ground and pickups.

So after installing the Glock in my LG with Bart classics, I plugged it up and tried it out. After playing it a while, I didn't care a lot for the mids. The bass and highs sounded great, but I ended up taking it back out. Well, a friend who bought my SKB3006 wanted to try it. I removed his Demeter (which I now have) and put the Glock preamp in his bass. Tested it out, wow, it sounded great. After sitting there and pondering why it sounded so much better in his SKB compared to my LG, it hit me. He has the Roscoe/Barts in his bass and I have the Classics in mine. It is like the Glock is voiced perfect for the Roscoe/Bartolini pickups. In Sheldon's SKB it sounded like a slightly more agressive Demeter. It didn't have the real bright highs of the Demeter, but it had a very usable treble and produced a really nice slap tone. The mids are much more controllable on the Glock compared to the Aguilar, but if you turn them up they can bite and cut through. The bass on the Glock was nice and full without getting muddy sounding. I would put it somewhere in between the Demeter and the Bartolini, but closer to the Demeter in tightness.

If you are thinking about putting one of these 4 knob Glocks in your Roscoe, you better hurry. There maybe only one or two left at The Perfect Bass. Tell them Clint sent you!

If you are going from a Bartolini to the Glock, you will want to purchase the stacked knob set from Warwick (TBer RocketMusic can get it for you), the shaft sizes on the Glock stacked pot is 6mm on the bottom and 4mm on the top. The other three knobs will work fine. Since removing the Demeter from Sheldon's SKB left a switch hole, I installed a battery cut-off switch. If you turn the volume on your bass all the way down you can use the switch to disconnect the battery without getting a loud pop.

You can read about d sage's Glock/Roscoe Bart setup and Ludo's (shiveringbass) review of his Glock/Delano setup here, read the 1st and 18th post.

[Gard]

Keeping in mind that my Audere is on my fretless with Nordstrand DC's, which may make something of a difference...



...my "basic" setting is with the Z-mode switch in "normal" (middle) position, blend halfway from the detent to full bridge (about 75% bridge, 25% neck), high mids flat, low mids just a touch up (maybe 10% up), treble flat, bass just a touch up (again, maybe 10% up).

This, combined with the woods, gives me a good cutting growly "mwah" that sits in a mix without being buried in it.

If I need to "goose" things a bit, I'll bring a bit of the high mids in, if I want to get "fatter" I will either go to the low Z setting ("down" on my bass) or favor the neck pickup with the blend (same distance as the neck above, usually).

As your bass is somewhat different, you may need to experiment a bit to find "your" tone in there, but it is indeed in there! I suggest using what everyone has recommended, start with everything "flat" and tweak things a bit here and there until you find what you're looking for.

[Shiveringbass]

Originally Posted by CrashClint

I have a Demeter Preamp again!

About a month or so ago, I called Tyler at Glockenklang USA and inquired about a 4 knob version like Ludo (shiveringbass) has. Tyler called the factory and got 5 of the 4 knob preamps built. Tyler asked me if there was a dealer I wanted to ship these through, So I called The Perfect Bass. I told Brandt about the preamps and he said he would purchase them through his shop. These come with Volume (Push/Pull/Active/Passive), Balance, Mid, stacked Bass/Treble. In the Passive mode it kind of has that old school vibe, like a "P" bass.

When Glockenklang shipped the preamps, they came with some assembly required. They did not come with a 1/4" jack and you have to make and solder some leads to the PC board. I figured since some of my soldering handy work has been in the NI cabinets of many a nuclear submarine and aircraft carrier and I haven't heard of any melt downs, this shouldn't be so bad. So I installed a 1/4" jack and made all the leads I needed and soldered them to the Glockenklang PC boards, battery, ground and pickups.

So after installing the Glock in my LG with Bart classics, I plugged it up and tried it out. After playing it a while, I didn't care a lot for the mids. The bass and highs sounded great, but I ended up taking it back out. Well, a friend who bought my SKB3006 wanted to try it. I removed his Demeter (which I now have) and put the Glock preamp in his bass. Tested it out, wow, it sounded great. After sitting there and pondering why it sounded so much better in his SKB compared to my LG, it hit me. He has the Roscoe/Barts in his bass and I have the Classics in mine. It is like the Glock is voiced perfect for the Roscoe/Bartolini pickups. In Sheldon's SKB it sounded like a slightly more agressive Demeter. It didn't have the real bright highs of the Demeter, but it had a very usable treble and produced a really nice slap tone. The mids are much more controllable on the Glock compared to the Aguilar, but if you turn them up they can bite and cut through. The bass on the Glock was nice and full without getting muddy sounding. I would put it somewhere in between the Demeter and the Bartolini, but closer to the Demeter in tightness.

If you are thinking about putting one of these 4 knob Glocks in your Roscoe, you better hurry. There maybe only one or two left at The Perfect Bass. Tell them Clint sent you!

If you are going from a Bartolini to the Glock, you will want to purchase the stacked knob set from Warwick (TBer RocketMusic can get it for you), the shaft sizes on the Glock stacked pot is 6mm on the bottom and 4mm on the top. The other three knobs will work fine. Since removing the Demeter from Sheldon's SKB left a switch hole, I installed a battery cut-off switch. If you turn the volume on your bass all the way down you can use the switch to disconnect the battery without getting a loud pop.

You can read about d sage's Glock/Roscoe Bart setup and Ludo's (shiveringbass) review of his Glock/Delano setup here, read the 1st and 18th post.

Indeed, the Glock pre works extremely well for my needs and my tone. It has exceeded my expectations and put a big smile on my face.


Now, don't get me wrong, the Audere is a great pre and I've got one in my fretless. Very flexible but less plug and play.


I usualy stay into high-Z mode, and boost the high mid knob a bit to add a bit of warm.

Regards

Ludo

[groov'ster]

Well I missed out on Clints glock but I called the TPB and they have them in stock. I will order one tomm.....bills always seem to get in the way.

Thanks for all the replies here. I dont feel so alone now.

[CrashClint]

Hey Groov,

How is it going with the install of the Glock?

I just installed the Demeter in my LG with the Bart Classics and I must say the Demeter is more lively with the Classics compared to the Roscoe/Barts. The Demeter with the Classics sounds a lot like the Glock with the Roscoe/Barts. I am very impressed. Though mids are not as strong as the Glock, it does produce usable mids and you can actually tell a difference when you flip the mid switch. The great thing, it is dead quiet! I removed the Audere from my bass. The Audere was not the most quiet preamp I have ever used but it did sound pretty good, I just prefer the Demeter more. Since I never used the mid switch in the Audere, I may just tape it up and put the Audere in my fretless bass.

[chadds]

I am a Smith to Roscoe convert. Actually the Roscoe was really more plug and play.