Adding an Audere to my LG3000

[atrapp]

First off... I am totally digging this bass, I had two of John's (Basso Gruvitas) SKB 3005 - Spalted Maple and Black Beauty - neither worked for me for a number of reasons, however I knew by the quality of Roscoe Basses I would eventually try another...

I installed a set of Big Singles almost immediately (I do not like Bartolini anything) and have been pondering the install of an Audere pre that I have lying around, I have the 3 band with two switches - and therein lies my dilema, drilling two holes... Not the act of drilling, that's cake, it's the defacing of the bass...

Thoughts?

BTW the Big singles really make this bass amazing... they fixed everything the Barts do wrong (remember I do not like Fartolinis). They expanded the tonal range, tightened up the low end and talk about quick, oh dear they are so damn fast. At rehearsal last night (Thunderfunk into an Eden 410 XLT wired @ 2 ohms - oh and yes at reasonable levels the TFunk is killer at 2 ohms) I set the volume a little hotter than usual on the Funk, not wanting to lower it cause it just sounded so perfect, I played with a much lighter touch (I play light as it is) and my God was the tone outrageous, the Funk was set pretty flat, enhance at like 9 o'clock, small boost at 90 and 250, all else flat, whoa Nellie! Great low end growl, smooth mids and clear highs, but when I dug in I had headroom to punch a hole in the wall - punches quick and hard - my drummer just kept lookin at me with a great big grin - totally diggin what he was hearing!

Now if I can just get Gard to send my a gloss black LG3000 body so I can pass this bass off as a "rock" bass... You listening Gard???

[Basso Gruvitas]

Toby,
Glad you're liking the Roscoe! "Reasons" aside, I knew you just needed the right electronics package in there to light a fire!

So you have Nordstrands in there now? If I understood that correctly, why not snap off a shot for us?

I don't know if you know, but I got rid of the Demeter in the spalted bass (the preamp you played) and dropped in an Audere. NO TURNING BACK, MY FRIEND! With this preamp, I'm hearing overtones and subtlties I NEVER heard with the Demeter....and I still have Barts in the bass!

I've thought about Nordstrands in that bass, but not sure...

[4Mal]

dude, z-mode is where it's at ... warm up the mini-router baybee! (me, trying to write like Dick Vitale talks...)

Looks like you have 4 holes in the top ? 1 control hidden behind the guitar stand ? or is it only 3 ?

If it's 4.. then send the pre back to Dave and have him wire up 2 additional z-mode combo's and put them on a 5 way rotary. Set it up for Vol, Blend w/ stacked mid and Bass with stacked treble...

and 'walla you got's yo fo holes filled... lose the other switch ...

If it's a 3 holer - Warm up the mini-router BayBee! (announcer voice) Toby's drillin' from dowwnnn towwnnn!

I sent my original 1 module Vol/Vol/z-mode & A/P switch, back and had Dave add the 3 band. He implemented that in a second module. I had him pull the A/P switch out and now have it in an L2500 with single, series, Paralelle for each of the MFD's ... cool setup. Those Nordy big singles are interesting ? Did you snag those from My Wymore ? If not - you've got a great pickups and parts guy in your backyard www.wymoreguitars.com

Missed you at the GTG. Watching Arbitrary go back and forth looking at his Jerzey and Jerry's Fodereas was, um interesting ...

[Nino Valenti]

If you can, try to install the preamp ant test it out with the control cover off at a rehearsal or something. This way you can play with the switches and hear if the preamp will work for you before you drill come holes in that beautiful bass.

[arbitrary]

Originally Posted by 4Mal

Watching Arbitrary go back and forth looking at his Jerzey and Jerry's Fodereas was, um interesting ...

What the hell is that supposed to mean? Hey Mr. "I'm going back to GK after playing one for 30 seconds" would you like a spoon?




And for the sake of contributing. The Audere in my Jerzy rocks.

[JOME77]

Originally Posted by atrapp

I installed a set of Big Singles almost immediately (I do not like Bartolini anything) and have been pondering the install of an Audere pre that I have lying around, I have the 3 band with two switches - and therein lies my dilema, drilling two holes... Not the act of drilling, that's cake, it's the defacing of the bass...

Thoughts?

IMO you're better off not drilling any additional holes in the bass. Not everyone is into the aircraft dash panel look on a bass (expecially a nice boutique bass).

There are plenty other options though if you really want to install the pre (without drilling additional holes). You should be able to find some pot's with push-pull switches built in and you could also go with a couple concentric pot's (not sure if by 3-band you mean master vol, balance, bass, treble, mids [5 knobs] or just 3 knobs with various controls paired & already utilizing concentric pots).

[4Mal]

Originally Posted by arbitrary

What the hell is that supposed to mean? Hey Mr. "I'm going back to GK after playing one for 30 seconds" would you like a spoon?




And for the sake of contributing. The Audere in my Jerzy rocks.

well - your Jerzey rocks... and so does the Audere - stands to reason... If I were your Jerzey, I'd be nervous about that Fodera though. You seemed somehow attached ... you'll note that I, wise ass (uh, man...) that I am - I didn't even go near the open cases of those, or the Wal ...

The 30 second thing - you witnessed the last 30 seconds of weeks of pondering ...

[atrapp]

Originally Posted by Basso Gruvitas

Toby,

So you have Nordstrands in there now? If I understood that correctly, why not snap off a shot for us?

I've thought about Nordstrands in that bass, but not sure...

I'll post some pics tomorrow - my camera is at my office

Go for the Nordies - I so dig em!

Originally Posted by 4Mal

dude, z-mode is where it's at ... warm up the mini-router baybee! (me, trying to write like Dick Vitale talks...)


Missed you at the GTG. Watching Arbitrary go back and forth looking at his Jerzey and Jerry's Fodereas was, um interesting ...

Z mode is awesome, I used to have this Audere in my Ibanez Zebrawood bass - you may have played it at the last GTG


Poor Eric... so many choices, so little time!

Originally Posted by Nino Valenti

If you can, try to install the preamp ant test it out with the control cover off at a rehearsal or something. This way you can play with the switches and hear if the preamp will work for you before you drill come holes in that beautiful bass.

I can and that is a great idea Nino, BTW can you hook a brother up with Dunlop strap buttons sans the strap end?

Originally Posted by JOME77

IMO you're better off not drilling any additional holes in the bass. Not everyone is into the aircraft dash panel look on a bass (expecially a nice boutique bass).

There are plenty other options though if you really want to install the pre (without drilling additional holes).

I agree with you, although I am not sure that two switches would overly clutter the bass, David doesn't have any push pull pots for the Audere... I might place just the Z mode switch on the front, which wouldn't be to unsightly, after all I believe Roscoe sells basses with a coil tap switch...

[JOME77]

Originally Posted by atrapp

I agree with you, although I am not sure that two switches would overly clutter the bass, David doesn't have any push pull pots for the Audere... I might place just the Z mode switch on the front, which wouldn't be to unsightly, after all I believe Roscoe sells basses with a coil tap switch...

Yeah, the last two Roscoe's that I've purchased had a coil tap switch and several recent ones had 2 or even as many as 3 factory installed switches. I can handle 2 if they're installed in tasteful locations but 3 crowd things a bit.....

After thinking about it though I think Nino's idea of doing a rough install first makes more sense. I've heard great things about the Bart pre/Nord PU combo. You may find that the Audere pre doesn't really add much or anything to the equation.
IMO replacing the stock Bart P/U's with the Nord's probably accomplished 90% of what you were looking for.......

[atrapp]

Originally Posted by JOME77

After thinking about it though I think Nino's idea of doing a rough install first makes more sense. I've heard great things about the Bart pre/Nord PU combo. You may find that the Audere pre doesn't really add much or anything to the equation.
IMO replacing the stock Bart P/U's with the Nord's probably accomplished 90% of what you were looking for.......

I'll for sure install the Audere w/o drilling for the switches - you're right the Nord pup/Bart pre combo does sound pretty good... Maybe I'll wait a bit.

[arbitrary]

You can also do the switch as its own separate knob and stack some of the other controls.

[LightGroove]

Were these off the shelf nords or custom made for the slant position? I've been told by a few folks (even Gard) that they have to be custom made, very interesting if your digging the tone and this is not the case.

[atrapp]

they are stock

[Groovin]

Originally Posted by JOME77

IMO replacing the stock Bart P/U's with the Nord's probably accomplished 90% of what you were looking for.......

+1

If you are digging the sound now, the Audere will not "add" anything to the equation. I like the Bart Pre. The p/u's are not for everyone obviously, but the bart pre in the Roscoes is very musical. IMO, it hads a very musical warmth to the tone that is just magic. Oh, that might just be becuause its a Roscoe.

[4Mal]

Originally Posted by Groovin

+1

If you are digging the sound now, the Audere will not "add" anything to the equation. I like the Bart Pre. The p/u's are not for everyone obviously, but the bart pre in the Roscoes is very musical. IMO, it hads a very musical warmth to the tone that is just magic. Oh, that might just be becuause its a Roscoe.

Actually - that is the beauty of the Audere - it doesn't seem to add anything...

[Groovin]

Originally Posted by 4Mal

Actually - that is the beauty of the Audere - it doesn't seem to add anything...

If that is what you're after...

I think most people think that they want the flattest, "no color" equipment they can get.. but then find that it has no character whatsoever.

I personally like the signature tone of a Bart/ Roscoe bass. But to each his own!

[CrashClint]

I think in a round about way I ended up with John's Demeter. I have it installed in my SKB3006 and love the natural tone it produces, but if you really want to cut through the mix, I think the bart pre does that very nicely. The output on the bart is by far hotter than the output of my Demeter.

I have to agree with Groovin, I do not want a really flat sound, I like character and that is why I choose a Roscoe.

[Basso Gruvitas]

Originally Posted by CrashClint

I think in a round about way I ended up with John's Demeter. I have it installed in my SKB3006 and love the natural tone it produces, but if you really want to cut through the mix, I think the bart pre does that very nicely. The output on the bart is by far hotter than the output of my Demeter.

I have to agree with Groovin, I do not want a really flat sound, I like character and that is why I choose a Roscoe.

Yeah, I think we're going to steer away from the Demeter. Atrapp had a Roscoe with the Demeter in it....didn't go over well.

Atrapp, I guess it depends on the tone you're after. The Audere will be more transparent...not bright, but it will let you hear more of the instrument than the Barts.
If you play a lot of Rock, you may also want to look at the Aguilar 3-band. You had that on the black bass -- and the TONES on that bass was great!

[atrapp]

here's the fotog

[4Mal]

Wow...Sweet! The big singles are kinda mean looking in there.