Demeter pre amp owners...

[Fawkes007]

Reviews??? We don't need to steenking reviews!!!

[coyoteboy]

Originally Posted by Bassmanbob

Eden Metro here. On big gigs I also bring my Eden 115-XLT underneath.

Roscoe+ Demeter Pre+ Eden= Tone to die for

Hey folks, I'm working on the Roscoe Avatar. anyway, relative to the above quote, I recently took delivery of one Eden WT-1205 to sit between my Dem. equipped Roscoe and my two Schroes, and the Roscoe doesn't seem to have enough output to achieve satisfactory gain level in this amp. This is somewhat of a known issue, one I though remedied before my purchase, but apparently not. I can't even get a clip to light with everything maxxed, and the comp is useless.

I was just wondering if anyone with the Demeter had had any difficulty with getting enough amp input gain. I'm still within the return window, and I think It's going back, just thought I'd relate and ask.

Love the sound of the Roscoe+Demeter.

[klorence]

Originally Posted by coyoteboy

I was just wondering if anyone with the Demeter had had any difficulty with getting enough amp input gain. I'm still within the return window, and I think It's going back, just thought I'd relate and ask.

Love the sound of the Roscoe+Demeter.

Before you return the amp, how about this:

I haven't received my Roscoe yet (due w/in a week! ) but I ordered the Demeter w/18v option... I'm not sure if you're running 9 or 18v, or even if that would make the difference, but you may want to check it out, especially if you like the sound of the Demeter.

My only experience w/18v onboard pre's was an Aggie OBP-3 I had in a Dingwall ABII... and it had PLENTY o' gain...

Something to think about, anyway.

[Gard]

FYI folks, the Demeter comes 18v STANDARD, not optional. That is the only way it is available.

I agree that the output on the preamp is not as "hot" as some of the others can get, but the 18v is not intended for high output, it's intended for headroom, so it will operate cleanly.

Coyote, I don't know what is up with it not "hitting" hard enough on the input of your amp. Mine will drive my WT-550 over the edge if I set the input gain too high on the Eden...



Is there a "pad" switch on the WT-1205 that you can use? If so, is it operating???

[klorence]

Originally Posted by Gard

FYI folks, the Demeter comes 18v STANDARD, not optional. That is the only way it is available.

I agree that the output on the preamp is not as "hot" as some of the others can get, but the 18v is not intended for high output, it's intended for headroom, so it will operate cleanly.

Coyote, I don't know what is up with it not "hitting" hard enough on the input of your amp. Mine will drive my WT-550 over the edge if I set the input gain too high on the Eden...



Is there a "pad" switch on the WT-1205 that you can use? If so, is it operating???

sorry about the 18-v thing - my bad. i thought it could be wired either way.


good point on the pad. not sure about the 1205, but my old WT-600 had one...

[JOME77]

Originally Posted by coyoteboy

Hey folks, I'm working on the Roscoe Avatar. anyway, relative to the above quote, I recently took delivery of one Eden WT-1205 to sit between my Dem. equipped Roscoe and my two Schroes, and the Roscoe doesn't seem to have enough output to achieve satisfactory gain level in this amp. This is somewhat of a known issue, one I though remedied before my purchase, but apparently not. I can't even get a clip to light with everything maxxed, and the comp is useless.

I was just wondering if anyone with the Demeter had had any difficulty with getting enough amp input gain. I'm still within the return window, and I think It's going back, just thought I'd relate and ask.

Love the sound of the Roscoe+Demeter.

Very strange.....

I formerly owned a WT-550 and currently own a WT-400 and they operate great with the Roscoe Demeter. I would think that portion of the Eden circuitry would be somewhat consistant between amps.

[Basso Gruvitas]

Hey Coyote,
Just wondering if it's something like dead batteries in the preamp....or even a cold solder in the bass.

I have a Demeter pre in one of my Roscoes, and have never experienced what you're describing. I also have to pad my inputs to my amplifiers, as Gard described, to keep it from distorting.

[coyoteboy]

According to the Eden forum, the gain structure, due to other features, is different from the other amps.

update: Eden is now offering an approx. 5db input gain boost option to those having these difficulties. I will consider it, though, using the 6db turbo boost feature left me with still marginal performance of the comp. I will try it again.

thanks for the replies folks. a cold solder would be bad, but sound itself is fine, and batts are fresh. For comparison, my 18v NSEU6 is only a small improvement to the amps inputs.

[klorence]

Originally Posted by coyoteboy

update: Eden is now offering an approx. 5db input gain boost option to those having these difficulties.

sounds like it's a design issue - something of which they were (or have become) aware...

good luck getting it together!

[Fawkes007]

I seriously doubt it is the Demeter. I've had the opposite experience...sounds like the input gain on the Eden is the issue. Have you tried the bass with other amps?

[JOME77]

Originally Posted by coyoteboy

According to the Eden forum, the gain structure, due to other features, is different from the other amps.

update: Eden is now offering an approx. 5db input gain boost option to those having these difficulties. I will consider it, though, using the 6db turbo boost feature left me with still marginal performance of the comp. I will try it again.

thanks for the replies folks. a cold solder would be bad, but sound itself is fine, and batts are fresh. For comparison, my 18v NSEU6 is only a small improvement to the amps inputs.

Bummer! I would suspect that if the WT-1205 has problems with the Demeter it also has problems with several other pre's.
I'm not sure of your power needs but if you really dig the Eden sound the WT-550 is a killer sounding amp and definitely works well with the Demeter.

[coyoteboy]

Well, I sent the 1205 back. Too bad too, feature wise it was just about perfect for me.

I guess I'll make do with the IOD+SF-2