Glockenklang Preamp in a Roscoe Part 2

CrashClint · #1 08-27-2008, 11:56 AM

I am getting ready to install a Glock into a friend's White solid Ash SKB. This bass has the standard Bart preamp, but because of the solid Ash body it produces a hot mid-range bump. Sounds good finger style, but lacks a little in the slap tone.

The Guys at The Perfect Bass are now carrying as stock, the 4 knob version of the Glock preamps for Roscoe basses. I was talking to Brandt yesterday and it seems that these preamps are a hot selling item. Just goes to show how a few Roscoe heads on TB can drive the preamp market.

Unfortunately, The Perfect Bass does not carry knobs for these preamps, but TB member RocketMusic deals in Warwick and can get the Warwick knobs that fit this preamp for $25 a set shipped.

Once I get this preamp installed, I will let everyone know how it changed the tone of this Ash SKB.

I wonder...... what are your thoughts if these Glockenklang preamps started appearing as a factory offered option from Roscoe?

**Brandt@TPB** · #2 08-27-2008, 12:25 PM

Just an FYI for all of the 3 Band 4 Hole Stacked Bass/Treble Glock OBP guys.

If you are having trouble finding Knobs Wormoth has what you need. I intend to stock this knob set in the future for anyone that purchases this pre-amp from TPB.

http://www.warmoth.com/hardware/part...=include_knobs

You need the K59 for the bass ring (17/64)
And the UCK1B for the treble (3/16)

Let me know if you have any additional questions.

d sage · #3 08-27-2008, 01:34 PM

I got one of these from Brandt, great guy. It sounds wonderful in my LG3005. Any tone I can think of is just an EQ tweak away. Crisp, defined highs and a tight clean low make it the ticket for me. I tried Bart (stock), Demeter (sounded good but I am not a fan of Demeter lately), and Audere (too complicated to set up and I didnt find the Z-Mode switch particularly useful). I installed one in another of my basses with Delano pu's and that is another great clean sound. State of the art as far as I am concerned.

Steve Clark · #4 08-27-2008, 02:23 PM

What would you install in a Spanish cedar bodied SKB3006 to get closer to a Jazz bass slap tone? Don't want to derail the thread. But I think if I could find this I'd never think about another bass again. I have two SKB3006 with Bart/Bart.

cubanbass · #5 08-27-2008, 02:55 PM

How about on stock Barts? I like the Bart preamp but I feel something is lost when soloing the bridge pickup. Even a slight tweak of the blend drops the tone... The Glock also has an active passive push/pull, would this work on the stock Barts?

CrashClint · #6 08-27-2008, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by cubanbass

How about on stock Barts? I like the Bart preamp but I feel something is lost when soloing the bridge pickup. Even a slight tweak of the blend drops the tone... The Glock also has an active passive push/pull, would this work on the stock Barts?

This preamp sounds really clean and articulate with the stock Roscoe Barts. I installed one on a friends SKB3006 with the stock Barts and it opened some of the compressed sound that the Bart/Bart produces.

CrashClint · #7 08-27-2008, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve Clark

What would you install in a Spanish cedar bodied SKB3006 to get closer to a Jazz bass slap tone? Don't want to derail the thread. But I think if I could find this I'd never think about another bass again. I have two SKB3006 with Bart/Bart.

Steve, I think as soon as the Bart Classics are available for the 6 string you will be on your way. The Classics really open the tone up on a Roscoe, you couple that with the Glock, especially in passive mode, you get that old school sound. I think you would be really happy with that setup.

CrashClint · #8 08-27-2008, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Brandt@TPB

Just an FYI for all of the 3 Band 4 Hole Stacked Bass/Treble Glock OBP guys.

If you are having trouble finding Knobs Wormoth has what you need. I intend to stock this knob set in the future for anyone that purchases this pre-amp from TPB.

http://www.warmoth.com/hardware/part...=include_knobs

You need the K59 for the bass ring (17/64)
And the UCK1B for the treble (3/16)

Let me know if you have any additional questions.

Let me crack the whip a little pop, pop pop!

Brandt has been a great guy to work with and he ships out fast. It is great to see a retailer to step up and take lead in getting products, like this 4 knob 3 band version of the Glock preamp out quickly, just weeks ago these were not available in the U.S. Once he gets the knobs in stock, I will have to give him the title of "The Man"!

Tommy Slap · #9 08-28-2008, 06:30 PM

I need to give thanks to Clint for make the experiments that Í was thinking to make...you let me solve a great question about theses preamps that are supposed to be very natural and clear, nice job. I need agree too that Brandt is "The Man" I´m updated on the lasts Bass DI devices and accessories thanks to TPB.

GBY Brother!!!

groov'ster · #10 08-28-2008, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by CrashClint

This preamp sounds really clean and articulate with the stock Roscoe Barts. I installed one on a friends SKB3006 with the stock Barts and it opened some of the compressed sound that the Bart/Bart produces.

Cant say what the bart/bart setup sounded like as I had an Audere/ bart setup. But after getting the lowdown from Crash here I installed the Glock......the highs were uncapped and sound sweet, very clean and articulate as said above. If you have a Roscoe and are considering upgrading a component because you feel your sound maybe lacking....go Glock. You want be disappointed.

CrashClint · #11 08-28-2008, 09:45 PM

Hey guys, I can't take all the credit here Shiveringbass intoduced me to Glockenklang. When I called Glock USA, they told me I should get with a US dealer to import the 4 knob versions and The Perfect Bass jumped on the chance to further meet the needs of us Roscoeheads.

The Glock came into today, the guys at TPB sure ship quick. I am real curious to hear what this is going to sound like. I need to stop by Radio Shack and pick up a new soldering iron tip so I can get it installed.

JOME77 · #12 08-29-2008, 08:32 AM

Clint you've definitely got my attention on the Glockenklang pre.

If it can come close to the glassy highs of the Demeter with more variation in the midrange I'd definitely be interested. I know that you're familar with the Roscoe Demeter so give me some feedback after you play around with the 4-band Glockenklang.

P.S. of course the Roscoe Audere has me pretty content right now!

CrashClint · #13 08-29-2008, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by JOME77

Clint you've definitely got my attention on the Glockenklang pre.

If it can come close to the glassy highs of the Demeter with more variation in the midrange I'd definitely be interested. I know that you're familar with the Roscoe Demeter so give me some feedback after you play around with the 4-band Glockenklang.

P.S. of course the Roscoe Audere has me pretty content right now!

I tried the Audere, it produced to much hiss in my bass for me.

On the first install, the highs are not as glassy as the Demeter, but they are very clear. Ah the mids, this is where the Glock shines. The mids are much more useful, they are not scooped like the Demeter and we boosted, they do growl.

Right now smpugh's solid ash skb has black beauties, with the Roscoe barts and bart preamp. The bass has a real mid presence that I am trying to tone down. I almost grabbed a 4 knob Demeter that was for sale on TB just because of the big mid scoop, but I remembered how smooth the Glock mids were on the maple top/cedar body skb I put the original glock into.

I would imagine with your Nords it would sound fantastic with the glock. It is a little more work installing the Glock because you have to solder to the PC board. I think it took me an hour to do the job last time, just took my time and made sure all the connections were right the first time. It is never good to have to reheat the pc board multiple times.

Oh, the glock is a 4-knob 3-band preamp.

groov'ster · #14 08-29-2008, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by JOME77

Clint you've definitely got my attention on the Glockenklang pre.

If it can come close to the glassy highs of the Demeter with more variation in the midrange I'd definitely be interested. I know that you're familar with the Roscoe Demeter so give me some feedback after you play around with the 4-band Glockenklang.

P.S. of course the Roscoe Audere has me pretty content right now!

I've been trying out the stealth plug with my computer and I'll try to post some sound clips of mine later tonite. It'll give you an idea of the Glock.

EDIT: I just remembered that somebody posted some clips lately with the Glock pre...I'll see if I can locate them.

groov'ster · #15 08-29-2008, 05:08 PM

scratch the Roscoe / glock clips I mentioned earlier.....it was a Warrior // glock setup..

I'll still try to post some of mine.

Halftooth · #16 08-30-2008, 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by CrashClint

I tried the Audere, it produced to much hiss in my bass for me.

That's my big issue with the Audere, that and there's actually too much tonal variation (at least for me).

Here would be the perfect preamp, IMO:

Aggie Lows
Bart Mids
Demeter Highs

I hope the Glock will yield that result.

JOME77 · #17 08-30-2008, 02:41 PM

I went to the TPB site and the info there seems to indicate that the Glock pre's are to be wired 9VDC. Anyone know if they can be wired at 18VDC?

Any configurable options that could utilize a switch (mid center freq.)? If not, I guess that I could wire the Nords series/parallel or SC/DC.....

CrashClint · #18 08-30-2008, 08:20 PM

The Glockenklang is designed for 9 volts. If You want to use both batteries you can wire your batteries parallel, positive to positive and negative to negative.

The bart, demeter and audere use two 9 volts wired in series jump pos to neg then use the other pos and neg post to get your 18 volts.

You could use the switch for a power cut-off. Just make sure you turn the volume down so you don't get a click noise. This will allow you to keep you cable plugged in without running your batteries down.

JOME77 · #19 08-31-2008, 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by CrashClint

The Glockenklang is designed for 9 volts. If You want to use both batteries you can wire your batteries parallel, positive to positive and negative to negative.

The bart, demeter and audere use two 9 volts wired in series jump pos to neg then use the other pos and neg post to get your 18 volts.

You could use the switch for a power cut-off. Just make sure you turn the volume down so you don't get a click noise. This will allow you to keep you cable plugged in without running your batteries down.

Clint,
I sent the question to Glockenklang and received a reply from Uwe Salwender stating that their pre's are not designed to be run at 18VDC but that the circuit is highly efficient at 9V.

CrashClint · #20 08-31-2008, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by JOME77

Clint,
I sent the question to Glockenklang and received a reply from Uwe Salwender stating that their pre's are not designed to be run at 18VDC but that the circuit is highly efficient at 9V.

That's right, if you have a two battery system, you have to run them in parallel so you are only putting out 9 volts. It is like have 9 volts with double the cranking amps.