Line 6 pod not cutting it with my Roscoe. What effects etc do you use with your Rosco

[Tee132]

Hi all
I am a proud owner of a new roscoe lg3005. I love the sound it has, However I use a line 6 pod x3 live which seems to be limiting its sound,
For example if I put the pod on bypass mode the bass sounds mint, then once I which off the bypass (to us pods amps/effects) it losses its nice sound.
Of course I have made a new patch with no amp, no eq, no effects but it still doen't do the bass justise.

So now I'm wondering if I should just loss the pod and go direct or buy a new boss gt10b (don't know if it will be any diffent or buy seperate effects).

Any ideas or what do you guys use??

[Gard]

Signal chain: brain -> hands -> bass -> good quality instrument cable -> tuner -> good quality instrument cable -> WT-550 -> good quality speaker cable -> Epifani UL310 Series II

[Big Mother]

I use a few different effects - chorus-overdrive-octave-etc, most of them have true bypass. I find my biggest tone suck culprit is my volume pedal (but I have been accused of being way to OCD over that kind of thing).
When recording, I tend to just use a cable to the amp and/or a JDI to go direct. I can always add effects later is my way of thinking.

BM

[VroomVroom]

When forced by specific requirements (and threats of a beating from the band leader) I will use a Boss OC-3 octave pedal for a synth sound. Otherwise, I'm with Gard. The sound is in your hands and the instrument...and reinforced by amplification equipment that emphasizes both.

So, my two cents...effects are for guitarists.

[RocketMusic]

Originally Posted by VroomVroom

So, my two cents...effects are for guitarists.

Booooooooooo!!!!



This pic is a little out of date (I've since added an EBS Valve Drive and substituted a Red Witch Deluxe Moon Phaser for the Maxon PT9-Pro+), but you get the picture... I'm a nut for pedals!!


The bottom row of pedals are all in a subloop, so I can leave 3 or 4 of them on all the time and bring them in and out of my signal chain with a sigle click of the Keeley Looper pedal (the skinny thing in the middle of the upper row). It's awesome for quick, drastic tonal changes

You don't know what you're missing, Jerry! Come to The Dark Side... Unlimited Power!!!!! Of course it'd probably get ya kicked off the band stand on your jazz gigs. The leader of my blues rock band jokingly docks me $10 everytime I step on a pedal in soundcheck

[ubone]

I like to experiment with effects just to see what I can come up with for my personal projects, but live the only effect I'll use is 12% to 20% verb on my fretless just to make it a little more liquid, or as I'm prone to saying, "adding some sauce to it". Nothing on my fretted.

[Darkstrike]

I definatly like how my Blowtorch reacts when being pumped by me Roscoe, sounds damn good with an OC3, I'll have to experiment with my others.

[Tee132]

Thats impressive Rocketmusic!!!!
I'll just add abit more about what I'm doing with my pod.

I play in a pop covers band so I do require the odd bass synth, auto wah, chorus, & boosts for the odd songs here and there. I don't as yet do any recordings or studio work.
I also use the pod for some compression & various tone changes for songs & use the pod as a di to the desk.

So keep giving me your thoughts and setups. But I think either way my Line 6 pod x3 will be going in the bin!!
T

[VroomVroom]

Greg, even without consulting with Gard on this, I'm afraid we'll have to dock you one Bud Light for every pedal in your arsenal. You are hereby obliged to play one full gig with no effects and only Bass Ale for hydration/inspiration.

[bongomania]

Puzzled.

I keep seeing posts where it's like "what cable should I use with my Roscoe", "what effects should I use with my Roscoe", "what tuner do Roscoe players like"...

What the bejeebus does the Roscoe part have to do with it? Roscoes are great basses, no doubt, but they are just like every other bass as far as effects and cables etc. are concerned.

OP, please visit the fx forum. There is a lot to read there, and every last bit of it applies to Roscoes.

[LilRay]

Originally Posted by Gard

Signal chain: brain -> hands -> bass -> good quality instrument cable -> tuner -> good quality instrument cable -> WT-550 -> good quality speaker cable -> Epifani UL310 Series II

BIG +1

Originally Posted by RocketMusic

Booooooooooo!!!!



This pic is a little out of date (I've since added an EBS Valve Drive and substituted a Red Witch Deluxe Moon Phaser for the Maxon PT9-Pro+), but you get the picture... I'm a nut for pedals!!


The bottom row of pedals are all in a subloop, so I can leave 3 or 4 of them on all the time and bring them in and out of my signal chain with a sigle click of the Keeley Looper pedal (the skinny thing in the middle of the upper row). It's awesome for quick, drastic tonal changes

You don't know what you're missing, Jerry! Come to The Dark Side... Unlimited Power!!!!! Of course it'd probably get ya kicked off the band stand on your jazz gigs. The leader of my blues rock band jokingly docks me $10 everytime I step on a pedal in soundcheck

Damn Greg, I bet you look like Fred Astaire tap dancing on all those pedals.

I tried a few pedals for a while but seeing as I can't use my feet fast enough, I had my pedalboard on a stand.
Liked some of the effects but hated looking like I was playing "Whack a Mole" during our show .
All I needed was a big Fuzzy Mallet and I bet folks would've brought quarters to my side of the stage
I can imagine what folks watching were thinking.

Scenario; Guy on crutches walks onstage, sits down, grabs a Bass. Commences to start hitting something they can't see with a fist.

I can hear it now. "Is that guy all there?" or
"Is he actually playing that bass, or are those other guys being nice to him and letting him "Play" in the band"?
"I'll bet that guy wears those adult poo catchers"



I don't understand why we haven't had more success than we've had?

God Bless, Ray

[Alphaman]

The only thing I use is a Aguilar Tone Hammer! Tried a few other pedals and just didn't like what it did to my sound.

[DannyV]

bongomania, it's just the guys hanging out. Like Ferrari owners talking about which wax makes them go faster, or which tires grip that small percentage better.

I have one pedal (an EBS Tube pedal), and one tuner, and usually use neither (well, I tune because I care, but it's not a pedal). The sound's in the bass, and the hands, and each thing between the bass and the soundwaves leaving the speaker cone just dilutes it a little bit more.

Having said that, Greg's pedalpalooza looks like fun, and sounds like it as well. Hard to beat great tone, good technique, and some sonic fun.

[Darkstrike]

Originally Posted by bongomania

Puzzled.

I keep seeing posts where it's like "what cable should I use with my Roscoe", "what effects should I use with my Roscoe", "what tuner do Roscoe players like"...

What the bejeebus does the Roscoe part have to do with it? Roscoes are great basses, no doubt, but they are just like every other bass as far as effects and cables etc. are concerned.

OP, please visit the fx forum. There is a lot to read there, and every last bit of it applies to Roscoes.

As DannyV said, its probably more to strike up conversation with other Roscoeheads as much as anything.

But, and I'm sure you know this yourself, different basses react with pedals in a different way, amps too, a modern, active, high gain bass, isn't gonna be near the same as plugging in an old P with flats.

I can't see a problem with striking the heart of the matter, and going straight to those who have experience with the exact same basses(or as near to same as Roscoes get), taking one thing out of the equation, so to say.

[LilRay]

Originally Posted by bongomania

Puzzled.

What the bejeebus does the Roscoe part have to do with it?

You can't exactly go to Ford and ask them the ignition timing on a 55 Bel Aire Chevrolet with a 327 c.i.d. engine and a four barrel carburetor can you?

God Bless, Ray

[JOME77]

Originally Posted by RocketMusic

Booooooooooo!!!!



This pic is a little out of date (I've since added an EBS Valve Drive and substituted a Red Witch Deluxe Moon Phaser for the Maxon PT9-Pro+), but you get the picture... I'm a nut for pedals!!


The bottom row of pedals are all in a subloop, so I can leave 3 or 4 of them on all the time and bring them in and out of my signal chain with a sigle click of the Keeley Looper pedal (the skinny thing in the middle of the upper row). It's awesome for quick, drastic tonal changes

You don't know what you're missing, Jerry! Come to The Dark Side... Unlimited Power!!!!! Of course it'd probably get ya kicked off the band stand on your jazz gigs. The leader of my blues rock band jokingly docks me $10 everytime I step on a pedal in soundcheck

Well you can certainly see who owns a music store!

Greg,
You've got more pedals than a field full of daisy's!

You've got more pedals than a bicycle buld for 12!

[RocketMusic]

Originally Posted by JOME77

Well you can certainly see who owns a music store!

Sadly, I am my own best customer sometimes

... and Roscoe certainly doesn't help matters...

[CactusmanDoug]

Originally Posted by LilRay

I bet you look like Fred Astaire tap dancing on all those pedals.

Scenario; Guy on crutches walks onstage, sits down, grabs a Bass. Commences to start hitting something they can't see with a fist.

I can hear it now. "Is that guy all there?" or
"Is he actually playing that bass, or are those other guys being nice to him and letting him "Play" in the band"?
"I'll bet that guy wears those adult poo catchers"

You're killin' me...I better go find my poo catcher

[René_Julien]

Originally Posted by bongomania

Puzzled.

I keep seeing posts where it's like "what cable should I use with my Roscoe", "what effects should I use with my Roscoe", "what tuner do Roscoe players like"...

What the bejeebus does the Roscoe part have to do with it? Roscoes are great basses, no doubt, but they are just like every other bass as far as effects and cables etc. are concerned.

OP, please visit the fx forum. There is a lot to read there, and every last bit of it applies to Roscoes.

a big +1

I'm still waiting on my Roscoe, but I'm 99,999999% sure it doesn't matter what brand or type of bass you use.


I have the X3 Pro, and I stopped using it because I also felt it sucked the tone out of my Tony Franklin.

It's a great unit... but it has it's place.
I wanted to go to regular effects and a regular amp again (I was using the POD as preamp) because I wanted something easy and simple... PLUG AND PLAY.

I keep the X3 around for practice on electric guitar and recording purposes (although I haven't got around to that ).

In the Line 6 forum Rich has said that mostly everything in the POD is based to work well with a passive precision bass.
Or that they used that type of bass a lot.
It's supposed to work with everything off course, but from experience I know a POD X3 doesn't like hot signals.


The POD X3 is cool... but you kinda have to look at that effects unit/amp modeller as an instrument on it's own, with it's own soul. It will more than color or effect your bass signal/tone... it will take over most of the time.

It's like a quote from The Edge of U2... I don't know exactly how it goes but it was something along the lines that effects are part of instrumentation and that they provide creativity.


You may be an effects junkie... but to be a PODhead is something beyond effect junkies.
You're really stepping into a world underneath effects.

BTW, a BOSS GT10B isn't going to make you happier, regardless of discussing wich, GT10B or POD X3, is better.


Okay... since we also can make this kind of a "show your pedalboard thread" within the Roscoe forum ()...

here's mine:




Going to be some changes soon.

In a few weeks Greg is gonna sent me 2 Fishman AFX pedals along with my Roscoe.

These days I'm mostly down to "rotary speaker emulation", volume pedal and digital delay.

Effects that aren't meant to (IMO) color your tone.
Rotary is my alternative for chorus. Chorus colors my sound too much and (IMO IME) sucks the tone out of my bass.
Rotary doesn't alter my tone much, but that smooth tremelo effect makes it more mellow AND punchy.

Some goes for my love for digital delay... analog delay or reverb rape my tone. IMO again off course

[Darkstrike]

Originally Posted by René_Julien

In the Line 6 forum Rich has said that mostly everything in the POD is based to work well with a passive precision bass.
Or that they used that type of bass a lot.
It's supposed to work with everything off course, but from experience I know a POD X3 doesn't like hot signals.

And this is exactly why the OP asked for other Roscoe owners opinions, a Roscoe(normally) is a severly hot, loud instrument, even compared to other active basses, unless you cut the gain in the pre amp from the rear(I prefer not to, as I think it sounds best with the gain maxed), so why not ask people who have experience with adding effects to such hot signals?