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Old 11-30-2012, 09:44 AM
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Shot at making point attempted, and apparently missed... No big in the whole scheme of things. I love all youse guys. I'll now scoot to go practice.
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Shot at making point attempted, and apparently missed... No big in the whole scheme of things. I love all youse guys. I'll now scoot to go practice.
Think I'll go grab a handful of Blue Voodoo too.

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Old 11-30-2012, 10:54 AM
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Hey guys, I've owned roscoes (and little else) for the last 12 years and I was just looking for insight into alternative positions and what they get you from you guys that have experience with more variety in placement. I didn't mean to start a grand philosophical debate. Oops.
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Old 11-30-2012, 11:43 AM
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Whoa!

No more dogfighting, hmmkay?

It's all good, we're happy to experiment for folks, within the bounds of reason and understanding.

The reason is - well, not what Steve/ubone was joking about in his first post (wiseacre). If it is not physically feasible, then we CAN'T do it.

The understanding is - well, sure, we'll do that, if it's physically feasible. But if it sucks, there's a reason we don't offer it as a "standard factory option", isn't there?

Bottom line:

The "stock soapbar" locations are a tried & true, known quantity. The "ROSCOE SOUND" comes out of them.

The JJ setup we offer, good J's (noise-free) in the tried & true 60's locations that we all know and love - can't miss there, right? (No, it's not exactly a Fender, but then again, that's not what we're trying to do!)

We're about to "officially" add a J-V option for 4 and 5 strings, with the Aguilar 4/5J-HC pickups an OPB-2 on a stack treble bass control (...and eventually, if we can find a source for the necessary stacked potentiometer, the OBP-1 instead!), a passive tone control, and an active/passive switch on a push/pull volume control - to get a bit more "vintagey".

The JB setup, also a known quantity. Jerry kinda nails what it does, and has for Zon and Warwick among others in the past. Great tone, but not an "everyman" tone. (I live with that sound on fretless, it's the STUFF, IMO/IME)

M and JM, same deal - we all know this setup well. What it does on OUR stuff isn't exactly what it does elsewhere, for various reasons, but it is our "take" on that vibe. Again, no risk here, we KNOW it works.

We offer these options as "factory approved" because they are all proven winners, multiple times. We discussed for YEARS the possibility of doing this, and after all of that discussion our decision was "Why NOT offer these variations on a theme on OUR thing? If someone loves the look, feel, and tone of our bass, but wants to shade that tone slightly different from our normal formula, why is it not a brilliant idea to let them have just that?"

Heck, I have one (JB), and will get another (JM) as soon as the dust settles from my 14 month "isn't building a brand-new house a grand idea?" experience.

We all are here because we love these basses (....hell, I love 'em so much I got a job here and moved across 4 states to do it! ), getting bogged down in arguments over minutia is not a good use of our time and energy. We all agree on what matters, right?

You want to try one of the 6 menu options? GREAT!

You want to try something off-the-menu? Within reason, why not! (...just don't blame us when it doesn't turn out like you hoped or thought it would... )

...can't we all just get along?

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Old 11-30-2012, 12:24 PM
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We're about to "officially" add a J-V option for 4 and 5 strings, with the Aguilar 4/5J-HC pickups an OPB-2 on a stack treble bass control (...and eventually, if we can find a source for the necessary stacked potentiometer, the OBP-1 instead!), a passive tone control, and an active/passive switch on a push/pull volume control - to get a bit more "vintagey".
I think EMG makes the necessary pot and sells it as a stacked vol/vol for their active pickups - EMG (A25KX2) Stacked Volume Pot (25K).

There is nothing wrong with the OBP-2 but I rarely cut bass at the instrument and the treble centre on the OPB-1 is a little lower at 4k and works really nicely in conjunction with a passive tone when you want to cut. Having just installed this combo of Aguilar 4J-HC with OBP-1 in a Roscoe, I can tell you it kills.

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We offer these options as "factory approved" because they are all proven winners, multiple times. We discussed for YEARS the possibility of doing this, and after all of that discussion our decision was "Why NOT offer these variations on a theme on OUR thing? If someone loves the look, feel, and tone of our bass, but wants to shade that tone slightly different from our normal formula, why is it not a brilliant idea to let them have just that?"
This is what this really comes down to. They all sound good for different applications and all allow us to get the tones we're after while enjoying the look, feel and quality that can be expected of every Roscoe.
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Old 11-30-2012, 12:34 PM
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No more dogfighting, hmmkay?

...can't we all just get along?

Dogfighting? Like with F-18's or like Vick?

Haven't you ever been told not to get involved in family disputes?



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Old 11-30-2012, 12:45 PM
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I think EMG makes the necessary pot and sells it as a stacked vol/vol for their active pickups - EMG (A25KX2) Stacked Volume Pot (25K).
Unfortunately, ALL the EMG pots are now the "solderless" variety, and we can't work with them.

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There is nothing wrong with the OBP-2 but I rarely cut bass at the instrument and the treble centre on the OPB-1 is a little lower at 4k and works really nicely in conjunction with a passive tone when you want to cut. Having just installed this combo of Aguilar 4J-HC with OBP-1 in a Roscoe, I can tell you it kills.
Yeah, exactly what our thinking is - if you want that vintage vibe, you probably won't be needing the cut/boost functionality of the OBP-2, the OBP-1 is more what seems "appropriate". I agree, it's a great combo, for that sort of tone.

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This is what this really comes down to. They all sound good for different applications and all allow us to get the tones we're after while enjoying the look, feel and quality that can be expected of every Roscoe.
Exactly what we did it for, and exactly the point I was trying to make.

Now, let's all go be ELITIST!!!!
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Old 11-30-2012, 12:46 PM
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Dogfighting? Like with F-18's or like Vick?

Haven't you ever been told not to get involved in family disputes?



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You wanna finish this discussion out by the woodshed with a willow switch?



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Old 11-30-2012, 01:25 PM
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For me, I need to have at least one of the pickups in the approximate traditional P placement.

It's just something about that spot on the string.
 


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