Pre-Amp and Pickup Question

[CactusmanDoug]

I recently got my long awaited SKB 3005 #5850 with the Dual Coil Nordys and The Audere preamp. I like that combo so well I was thinking about tweaking the Bart/Bart system on my LG 3005 to open things up a bit. I was curious if anyone has any experience on using the Bart Pre-Amp with any of the variety of Nordy pickups on an LG and what you experienced tonally. Since it is the combination of the 2 components (preamp & pickups) that produce the signal going to the instrument cord, which one would give me the most dramatic change if I were to replace only the preamp OR only the pickups?

Thanks,

Doug

[atrapp]

Originally Posted by CactusmanDoug

I recently got my long awaited SKB 3005 #5850 with the Dual Coil Nordys and The Audere preamp. I like that combo so well I was thinking about tweaking the Bart/Bart system on my LG 3005 to open things up a bit. I was curious if anyone has any experience on using the Bart Pre-Amp with any of the variety of Nordy pickups on an LG and what you experienced tonally. Since it is the combination of the 2 components (preamp & pickups) that produce the signal going to the instrument cord, which one would give me the most dramatic change if I were to replace only the preamp OR only the pickups?

Thanks,

Doug

Doug,

I had a set of Nordy Big Singles in a LG3K (which is now owned by west coast bass sans Big Singles). I felt the Bart/Nordy combo in that bass was awesome, tightened up the bass, opened up the mids and smoothed out the highs. In my current LG3K the combo did not work out that well, me thinks it was the string to pole piece alignment, which was way off. This is supposed to be a common issue for Nordy/LG combos, guess I was lucky with the first bass... If you have angled pups You'll need to custom order them from Carey for a perfect fit.

Cheers,

[Gard]

Hey Doug! Didn't know you were here...



...anyone need a saguaro cactus, Doug's the man to talk to!



On the pickups, you can get Nordies for the LG, but you have to custom order them, as atrapp mentions.

Also, we've done the Audere + Bart combo a few times, and it works very well!

[CrashClint]

What would the Glockenkang onboard preamp sound like with the Bart pickups comparedly to the Bart, Audere or Demeter?

[CactusmanDoug]

Hi Gard-

Thanks for the response and info not to mention the cactus plug.

I may also be interested in doing something along these lines with my fretless, #4974. When I decide on my LG, I'll know which direction (if any) for that awesome fretless. That bass is so amazing.

Interesting note: I looked at it hanging next to my new SKB and there was something a little different. I noticed the bridge was closer to the bridge pickup by exactly a half inch then my other bass (#5850). However, the overall distance from bridge to nut is 34 1/2 and on #5850 the distance is 34 5/8.

BTW- Have you had any experience with the configuration that atrapp wrote of?

All the best-

Doug

[CactusmanDoug]

Toby,

Thanks for the valuable info.

I may soon give Carey a call.

Have a great day,

Doug

[Gard]

Doug -

I've heard one bass with the Big Singles, it sounded wonderful, but I have this noise thing...60 cycle hum drives me bat$h!t crazy ...so I couldn't live with 'em myself. I hear that the Big Splits are VERY close in tone and are nice & quiet, so I've been toying with a set of those for my fretless....however, the Dual Coils are pretty darn nice as well, so...

I LOVE LOVE LOVE LOVE my Fat Stacks in my fretted bass, nice fat thick midrangy J bass tone....those are staying in that bass, permanently.

On the bridge location...just to clarify, is one bass fretted and the other fretless?

[CactusmanDoug]

Gard-

Thanks again for the response.

Do you mean the Big Splits are close in tone to the Big Singles? Would you personally consider the Dual Coils most likely superior on the fretless to the Fat Stacks you so enjoy in your fretted bass?

Please keep in mind these are to be used in conjunction with the 3-way Bart preamp.

Yes, # 4974 is fretless.

Doug

[Gard]

Doug -

Hey...well, I wouldn't say one is "superior" to the other...just different "flavors". I really dig the FS's on my fretted, and think they'd sound smokin' on a fretless. I like the DC's on my fretless, and have liked them on the fretted basses I've heard them on as well...I have no direct experience with the Big Splits, just talked to the Nordy guys about them a bit, and I think I'd dig 'em, because I loved the BS's, except the NOISE issue...yadda yadda yadda....



OK, so, that explains the different bridge locations, fretlesses intonate a bit differently than fretted, so Keith locates the bridges to compensate for it.

[lowfreqman]

I have big splits and a bart preamp in my MTD. This combination has a pleasing, growly sound without any hum. The response is pretty even from across the frequency range. I think you would like this combination in a Roscoe.

[atrapp]

Doug,

I had no issues with hum in my system either... with the big singles that is.

Cheers,

[lsu921]

I owned this LG, which belonged to sha975 before me, and it was fantastic. It had Nordy Fat Stacks with the stock Bart preamp, and man was it nice.. Sounded like a big fat jazz bass with tons of punch, and a very tasteful but present midrange.. Love the FS's..

[CactusmanDoug]

Thanks for all the info, amigos.

I emailed Carey at Nordstrand so I should be getting a leg up on this thing soon.

Again, thanks for the help.

Doug

[d sage]

Same question as CrashClint, any experience with the Glockenklang pre and Bart PUs?

[Shiveringbass]

Hi there,

One more for that Glock + Bart set up.


In fact this is my thing. You know Gard that I've always found my LG to be too dark, too muted in the high end.

Well I've began using it with my curent band and this is what comes out after 3 rehersals and one gig.

from the rest of the band, some friends in the audience and myself, with everything set flat, low mids are quite overwelming and it realy lacks some clear high end.

To have the clarity I like, I must turn the treb control of the Bart pre all the way up.

The same problem arise on the three amps I used : Trace eliot in rehersal, a friend's EBS Fafner and my Glockenklang stack.

I'd like to solve that problem definitly now.

So my options are :

- change tha bart pre for anything that would replace it without any modification.
my easy options are Aguilar OBP3 that my local luthier can install or Glockenklang that I have at home but never dare trying .

- change those Bart/Roscoe pickups
easy options are Bart CB dual coil or Delano dual coil. From what I've read, Nordies must be special ordered for LGs.

- change the all electronics set up for a totaly new one.

In fact, I don't know where does that muted highends + overwelming low mids come ? pre or pickups or both ?

The wood I choose should give me a clear tone : ash/maple body with standard neck/maple fingerboard.

Thanks to share your opinion Gard, as I said it, I'd like to find a definite solution to be confident in that bass for the rest of my life.

Best regards

Shiveringbass

[LightGroove]

What... no love for the demeter pre...???

http://www.talkbass.com/forum/images...s/peepwall.gif


Me likey

[d sage]

LightGroove, I have plenty of love for Demeter!! Have one in my Lakland. If Roscoe still had them I would be getting one. Meanwhile seems to make sense to check out all the options. If Glock's pre is anywhere as good as the Soul head I just got then that's what I want to check out!

[Joel B]

If you check out the perfect bass site, they have one with a glock pre.

They will be glad to demo it on the phone for you, or answer any questions.

[CrashClint]

The guys at TPB like the Glokenklang better and it cost less than the Demeter. They said it was more natural sounding than the Demeter.

Originally Posted by Joel B

If you check out the perfect bass site, they have one with a glock pre.

They will be glad to demo it on the phone for you, or answer any questions.

[Shiveringbass]

Do you know which pickups has this Glockenklang equiped Roscoe ?
Bart or Nordies ?