Question about the Audere preamp

[Freddy-G.]

Maybe this is a question for Gard, but if anyone knows the answer, feel free to chime in. I was looking at the Audere website and read that some of their preamp modules are adjustable. Is that true of the Audere preamp in my Roscoe?

[Freddy-G.]

I emailed the fine folks at Audere, and David Meadows himself replied to my question. The Roscoe preamp can not be adjusted. It is fixed per Roscoe tradeoffs (whatever that means). He says that the preamp is very flat in Mid Z-Mode.

You guys that are using an Audere, what Z-mode do you use most often? I'm still experimenting with each mode, but using High Z-mode the most now.

[JOME77]

What's up Gary?

I typically play with the switch in the middle position on finger and pick style. When I play slap style I play with it in the down (Hi) position.

I've installed a couple of the stock Audere pre's and IMO the Roscoe Audere is tuned perfectly for their basses. IMO it's by far the most versatile pre I've used.

[youngs]

Originally Posted by Freddy-G.

I emailed the fine folks at Audere, and David Meadows himself replied to my question. The Roscoe preamp can not be adjusted. It is fixed per Roscoe tradeoffs (whatever that means). He says that the preamp is very flat in Mid Z-Mode.

You guys that are using an Audere, what Z-mode do you use most often? I'm still experimenting with each mode, but using High Z-mode the most now.

I use mid, low -Z mode only. not the highZ.

[Freddy-G.]

Thanks Joe and Young. I should also ask what pickups you're using with the Audere. That could make a big difference in tone, too! I have Nordstrand DCs in mine.

[youngs]

Originally Posted by Freddy-G.

Thanks Joe and Young. I should also ask what pickups you're using with the Audere. That could make a big difference in tone, too! I have Nordstrand DCs in mine.

SAME HERE! also with standard Bart. (you know I have more than one)

[JOME77]

Originally Posted by Freddy-G.

Thanks Joe and Young. I should also ask what pickups you're using with the Audere. That could make a big difference in tone, too! I have Nordstrand DCs in mine.

The Roscoe that I just sold had the Audere/Nord combo w/solid maple body. The one under construction has the Audere/Bart CB combo with Spanish Cedar body. I'm hoping for a slightly phatter sound with the Barts and Spanish Cedar body. I'll let you know after it arrives.

[Freddy-G.]

Originally Posted by youngs

SAME HERE! also with standard Bart. (you know I have more than one)

How would you say the sound of the Bart pups compares to the Nordstrands? That's an interesting comparison since you're using the Audere pre with both.

[Freddy-G.]

Originally Posted by JOME77

The one under construction has the Audere/Bart CB combo with Spanish Cedar body. I'm hoping for a slightly phatter sound with the Barts and Spanish Cedar body. I'll let you know after it arrives.

Looking forward to that review, Joe.

[youngs]

Originally Posted by Freddy-G.

How would you say the sound of the Bart pups compares to the Nordstrands? That's an interesting comparison since you're using the Audere pre with both.

I guess you already know about this , but the standard bart makes a bit compressed tone , with more growl ,but nordy opens up the high with tons of bottom ends.

[improvpwnd]

Seems like I am using Low and Mid-Z modes mostly...however less and less Low-Z mode recently. I find the Hi-Z mode to be fun when playing solo, but haven't used it in a band setting yet. I wonder what frequency peaks the 4-bands are at... anyone know?

[JOME77]

Originally Posted by improvpwnd

Seems like I am using Low and Mid-Z modes mostly...however less and less Low-Z mode recently. I find the Hi-Z mode to be fun when playing solo, but haven't used it in a band setting yet. I wonder what frequency peaks the 4-bands are at... anyone know?

It doesn't sound as if there are actually fixed frequency's. They appear to be somewhat dependent on the type pickups installed. Here's a link to the Audere website that clarifies each switch setting:

http://audereaudio.com/index.htm

This statement from that section sums it up though....

"the actual frequency peak for any particular pickup will depend on the internal inductance of the coil combined with the internal and external capacitance which loads the pickup. If more capacitance is added to the pickup then the frequency of the peak will occur at a lower frequency. If the inductance of the coil is changed, for example, switching a pickup from a series to a parallel coil connection, then the peak will shift to a higher frequency. If the pickups are wound differently, for example, by a boutique pickup winder which uses a "scatter winding" technique, then the frequency peaks location will also vary. So resonate peak location varies by pickup, as do player preferences."

[improvpwnd]

Originally Posted by JOME77

It doesn't sound as if there are actually fixed frequency's. They appear to be somewhat dependent on the type pickups installed. Here's a link to the Audere website that clarifies each switch setting:

http://audereaudio.com/index.htm

This statement from that section sums it up though....

"the actual frequency peak for any particular pickup will depend on the internal inductance of the coil combined with the internal and external capacitance which loads the pickup. If more capacitance is added to the pickup then the frequency of the peak will occur at a lower frequency. If the inductance of the coil is changed, for example, switching a pickup from a series to a parallel coil connection, then the peak will shift to a higher frequency. If the pickups are wound differently, for example, by a boutique pickup winder which uses a "scatter winding" technique, then the frequency peaks location will also vary. So resonate peak location varies by pickup, as do player preferences."

I may be wrong, but I think Audere is referring to the frequency peak when the pre's EQ knobs are set 'flat'. For example, in Hi-Z mode there's a high-mid peak somewhere around 3.5...when EQ is flat. So I get that different pickups would have different frequency peaks in different modes, but the onboard 4-band parametric EQ must be set at specific frequency points... maybe even Roscoe specific?

[JOME77]

Originally Posted by improvpwnd

I may be wrong, but I think Audere is referring to the frequency peak when the pre's EQ knobs are set 'flat'. For example, in Hi-Z mode there's a high-mid peak somewhere around 3.5...when EQ is flat. So I get that different pickups would have different frequency peaks in different modes, but the onboard 4-band parametric EQ must be set at specific frequency points... maybe even Roscoe specific?

...You may be right.
I know that the standard off the shelf Audere 4-band has adjustments on the PCB. The Roscoe Audere is set at the Audere factory (per Roscoe's specifications) and isn't variable.

Maybe this info is more of what you're looking for:

What are the frequency responses of tone controls?

For the 4 band active module
Bass shelving ending at 172 Hz +/- 15 dB
Mid1 centered at 200 Hz (wide control) +/- 10 dB
Mid2 centered at 800 Hz +/- 10 dB
Treble shelving starting at 1.92 KHz +/- 15 dB

[improvpwnd]

Originally Posted by JOME77

...You may be right.
I know that the standard off the shelf Audere 4-band has adjustments on the PCB. The Roscoe Audere is set at the Audere factory (per Roscoe's specifications) and isn't variable.

Maybe this info is more of what you're looking for:

What are the frequency responses of tone controls?

For the 4 band active module
Bass shelving ending at 172 Hz +/- 15 dB
Mid1 centered at 200 Hz (wide control) +/- 10 dB
Mid2 centered at 800 Hz +/- 10 dB
Treble shelving starting at 1.92 KHz +/- 15 dB

Hey man, thanks for the info. I thought I had looked through Audere's FAQ thoroughly. It is good to know that Roscoe's version is set at their factory settings, however.

It is interesting to see the Bass shelving and the Low Mid peak/dip so close together at 172 Hz and 200 Hz respectively!