ROSCOE Bart p'ups - enlighten me

dataBASS5 · #1 09-18-2008, 08:56 AM

Hey guys,

I have searched for this answer, but no luck. Feel free to move this thread if I'm in the wrong place. But!

What is the difference in standard ROSCOE Bartolini pups? I'm talking about the ones with 3 screw holes vs. 2 screw holes. Are either of these the Bart classics? Both versions seem to be used on late model LG's

Just something I've been wondering for awhile. Now, let's have the answer surface in the next 2 posts and then spend 40+ posts off topic.

Gard · #2 09-18-2008, 09:36 AM

No difference, just how the Bartolini folks were drilling the pickups on that order! (Really!)

The only pickup that you can tell anything about from the holes in it are the present version of the 6 string CB, it has FOUR holes now (the first "batch" was three holes).

CrashClint · #3 09-18-2008, 11:26 AM

So the Bart Classics are available in a 6 string set now?

Gard · #4 09-18-2008, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by CrashClint

So the Bart Classics are available in a 6 string set now?

Yessir.

Inventory says: 7 sets

More on order...

Nakedfish · #5 09-18-2008, 03:14 PM

I have Bart CB's in my Century Standard 6. I like them very much - somewhat more open sounding especially at the top end than the Roscoe Barts in my SKB with the same Bart preamp.

jzbass6 · #6 09-22-2008, 08:48 AM

Is there a destinct difference between the Roscoe spec'ed Barts and the (CB) Classic Barts I hear so much about?

dataBASS5 · #7 09-22-2008, 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by jzbass6

Is there a destinct difference between the Roscoe spec'ed Barts and the (CB) Classic Barts I hear so much about?

Apparently, though I've not experienced the CB's yet. I'm afraid once I do, I'll NEED to have a set in all my Roscoes.

The last Roscoe player we sent to "check them out" has never returned to base camp Standard Bartolini.

CrashClint · #8 09-22-2008, 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by jzbass6

Is there a destinct difference between the Roscoe spec'ed Barts and the (CB) Classic Barts I hear so much about?

Yes, More distinct lows and more open highs. As Gard has said, think of the Roscoe Barts as sounding like a "P" Bass and the CBs as sounding like a "J" Bass. That is the best way to describe the differences.

Hey Data, I have Bart Classics in my LG and Fretless if you want to hear them.

bongomania · #9 09-22-2008, 09:18 AM

Slight derail- which off-the-shelf Barts sound most like the Roscoe Barts?

CrashClint · #10 09-22-2008, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by bongomania

Slight derail- which off-the-shelf Barts sound most like the Roscoe Barts?

Hmmm, may have to ask Gard about this one. The Roscoe Barts are built to Keith's Specs, I am not sure if there is an off-the-shelf pickup that will sound like a Roscoe. I have the Classics in mine and it still sounds like a Roscoe, just more open. I guess I could drop the highs down and get real close.

maurilio · #11 09-23-2008, 12:50 AM

Roscoe's Bart are quad coil, C voice at the bridge, K at the neck.
The main difference is the coils inside. To be able to have a "perfect" humcancelling 5 strings pup, both coil for B E A and D G are the same lengh (or width). That's why the P4 shape for 5 strings bass.
This explain also why the Roscoe basses are the less noisy ones on the market.
I have installed a switch for par/sc/sr in my Roscoe and the single coil is dead silent! (something that most of the split coils can't do, to a certain point).

M

Ps: at least, that's my understanding after checking magnetic structure and chatting with Bill Bartolini

maurilio · #12 09-23-2008, 12:56 AM

Bartolini pups all sound the same for every given voice:
J
C
K
CX
CBC
M
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The only difference is the case shape and the coil structure (for custom stuff).

Bartolini

M

maurilio · #13 09-23-2008, 12:58 AM

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Originally Posted by CrashClint

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BTW CC, how are you? everything fine?

Cheers

M

CrashClint · #14 09-23-2008, 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by maurilio

BTW CC, how are you? everything fine?

Cheers

M

Hey Mau,

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Gard · #15 09-23-2008, 08:51 AM

Well, Mo did my job for me here...thanks Mo!

Clint, glad things are going well with the recovery...how's your Saturday looking? Up for company??? Do some Dreamweaver work and watch some football?

maurilio · #16 09-23-2008, 09:14 PM

Hey CC, glad indeed!

Hey Gard, how's life? You're welcome, btw.

M

CrashClint · #17 09-23-2008, 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Gard

Well, Mo did my job for me here...thanks Mo!

Clint, glad things are going well with the recovery...how's your Saturday looking? Up for company??? Do some Dreamweaver work and watch some football?

Hey man as far as I know I have nothing going on this Saturday so come on over.

I have an old Dell Desktop I may format and load up so if things do not work with your laptop you can take the Dell with you.

needmoney · #18 09-24-2008, 04:43 AM

I've got a bit more of a specific question.

Are the Barts in the LG models any different? Basically I'm on the hunt for a cheap used set of P2's and I stumbled across a set of LG Barts for 5 string, though I won't be using these in a Roscoe. Would I experience any qualms with string alignment or anything??

Cheers!

CrashClint · #19 09-24-2008, 07:13 AM

As long as the pickup with fit the slot in your bass you will be fine. The Bart pickups use a Bar magnet so there should be no issues.

Gard · #20 09-24-2008, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by needmoney

I've got a bit more of a specific question.

Are the Barts in the LG models any different? Basically I'm on the hunt for a cheap used set of P2's and I stumbled across a set of LG Barts for 5 string, though I won't be using these in a Roscoe. Would I experience any qualms with string alignment or anything??

Cheers!

The answer is "maybe".

The string coverage should not be an issue at all, as Clint pointed out, the magnets are "bar" type, and don't have the issues associated with pole piece type magnets and spacing, although you could have an issue with the "break" in the magnets (they are quad coils, so the bars do not run the full width of the pickup).

The other potential issue is that our 5 string pickup is in a shell that is the same size as a 6 string pickup, so it may not fit in a pre-routed pickup rout, if it was done for a 5 string Bart pickup.