Roscoe + Glockenklang + Delano soundclips !

Shiveringbass · #1 09-11-2008, 11:51 AM

Hey there,

A lot of questions come around at the moment about that fantastic Glockenklang pre in a Roscoe.

Well, I've finaly finished those soundclips, uploaded them and here they are !

They didn't come out exactly as I wanted them (not enough volume, a bit of cliping...) but they give a good idea of my bass now.

To remind you, my Roscoe is a LG3005 with ash body, quilted maple top, birdseye maple fingerboard.

The pickups are some Delano dual coils that fits exactly in the Bartolini cavity without any modifications.

All the clips have been recorded through my Glockenklang head, eq bypass, out of the DI to my Boss digital recorder.

The eq on the bass is flat and the strings are brend new D'addario Prosteel.

OK, OK, the clips you say... so here we go :

This one a little bit of slapping :
roscoe-glock-slap.mp3

This one is in fingerstyle :
roscoe-glock-finger.mp3

And this one is in passive mode, tone rolled almost all the way off, balance all the way to bridge pickup.
roscoe-glock-passive.mp3

And finaly, for comparison sake, a clip of my bass before the change of pre and pickups, with the all Bart. setup :
Roscoe_sound.mp3

Well, forget the occasional sloppyness and let's talk now.

Regards

Shiveringbass

CrashClint · #2 09-11-2008, 12:42 PM

Hey Ludo, awesome job!!!

Finally Roscoeheads will be able to here the difference and why people are really digging the Glock preamp!

I didn't hear anything sloppy, it was all good to me!

Shiveringbass · #3 09-11-2008, 03:31 PM

Thanks Clint

Before that post I hadn't directly compare the soundclips before and after the mods.
I must admit I was quite surprised when I heard my new tone against the privious Bart setup. The Bart is so compressed. I do not regret any of my choice.

youngs · #4 09-11-2008, 04:07 PM

Great job bro!

CactusmanDoug · #5 09-11-2008, 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Shiveringbass

Thanks Clint

Before that post I hadn't directly compare the soundclips before and after the mods.
I must admit I was quite surprised when I heard my new tone against the privious Bart setup. The Bart is so compressed. I do not regret any of my choice.

Hey Ludo,

Thanks for the clips! They sound sweet!

I couldn't agree with you more regarding the compressed tone of the Bart syndrome. I like to hear a Roscoe unleashed as well.

I just put some fresh R. Cocco Nickels on my SKB 3005 fretless with the Glock/Bart CB combo and cannot believe the beauty I'm hearing. I've been playing around with the Mids fully boosted, blend set fully to the bridge with boosted Bass and cut Treble and WOW!!!

I have no recording equipment or would be happy to share this with rest of the world!

Thanks again for your labor and generosity with those clips!

Doug

bottomzone · #6 09-12-2008, 02:14 AM

What sloppy playing???? Changing the pre and pickups really "opened up" the sound on your Roscoe!!!!!

A Groove is a Terrible Thing to Waste!

maurilio · #7 09-12-2008, 02:28 AM

indeed, no sloppiness at all!

But, I'm always the one against the trend, I prefer the Bart sound

Although, in my roscoe I have a Demeter pre (Bart pups)

M

Shiveringbass · #8 09-12-2008, 04:02 AM

Thanks to all for the kind words.

Maurilio, to each his own. Bartolini have a lot of faithful user and lovers, it was just not my tone.

but in my case, it is not a trend, I've bought this preamp when it came out 2 years ago after using my Glockenklang rig for 3 years.

I think you can call me a happy Glock user.

Ludo

**T. B. Player** · #9 09-12-2008, 08:40 AM

NICE JOB!!

I like both of the tone qualities -

The Barts are what I'd like for those funk tunes - like when I was playing in a group with a four-piece horn section.

The passive of the Glock, though, would be awesome with the Celtic Rock thing I do every now and then, with an acoustic guitar, violin and drummer.

I'm sure a lot has to do with your wood combinations as well.

Z

Shiveringbass · #10 09-12-2008, 09:16 AM

I've just edited my post to precise that the passive mode soundclip was made with only the bridge pickup. This tone screams "growl" to me.

I would say that with the new elec. my woods choice becomes more apparent.

Ash+maple+maple fingerboard says bright bass to me. With the Bart. this bass was everything but bright.

But once again, both tone are certainly great in their own right but like you say it in American, "Different stroke for different folks).

Shelly · #11 09-12-2008, 09:22 AM

Nice! That is one of the more open Roscoe tones that I've heard. I just popped my Demeter/Bart combo back into my SKB3006 and it doesn't sound nearly that open.

LightGroove · #12 09-12-2008, 10:24 AM

Thanks for your willingness to share. I was wondering the other day why more people don't post clips. Anyways I think I dig the Bart tone a little more. The others sounded a little in your face for my taste. Now how does the Glock pre and Bart pickup setup sound...

kidding

Thanks again
M

CactusmanDoug · #13 09-12-2008, 10:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shelly

Nice! That is one of the more open Roscoe tones that I've heard. I just popped my Demeter/Bart combo back into my SKB3006 and it doesn't sound nearly that open.

My guess is you have the Roscoe Bart pickups. It would be well worth your time and cash to try some Nordstrand DCs or the CB Barts IMO.

If you're not a Bart/Roscoe Bart fan, then anything you do will most likely make you smile.

FYI- If you decide to go Nordstrand, be sure you measure the pup cuts so you wont have to order pickup covers twice like I had to for my LG with the Big Splits.

I will give a full report on the mods I do when I get my new pickup covers delivered. Since my pup cuts are only 1/8" off center, it should be nothing more than shaving a wee bit of material off the spools.

Have a great day,

Doug

ThePerfectBass · #14 09-12-2008, 10:51 AM

Mmmm.... The many flavors of Roscoe goodness...

Those are really good clips to demonstrate the difference between the classic Bart/Bart sound and Delano/Glock setup. You really hear that sparkly tone in the Bart setup and a more punchy low-midsy tone in the Delano/Glock setup.

Awesome demo!

Peace!

JOME77 · #15 09-12-2008, 10:55 AM

Cool. Thanks for posting the sound clips!

I'll have to say that based on the clips I do prefer the sound of the Glock pre. The only problem is that I'm hearing the Glock with Delano dual coils p/u's and I'm having to compare it with the Bart pre with Bart p/u's.
It's been my experience that the p/u's actually affect the overall sound more than the preamp so I'd still like to hear clips of the Glock compared to a Bart, Audere or Aggie paired with the same (common) p/u's (to establish a point of reference).

Still, great post!

Shiveringbass · #16 09-12-2008, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by ThePerfectBass

Mmmm.... The many flavors of Roscoe goodness...

Those are really good clips to demonstrate the difference between the classic Bart/Bart sound and Delano/Glock setup. You really hear that sparkly tone in the Bart setup and a more punchy low-midsy tone in the Delano/Glock setup.

Awesome demo!

Peace!

It must be a typo cause to me, it is exactly the contrary :
Delano/Glock = sparkly
Bart/Bart setup = punchy low-mids.

Joe, I'm with you, those clips are some Delano/Glock clips and not only Glock.

I can only attest you that the Glock pre is absolutly open and transparent when it is flat from 3 weeks of using it in passive/bypass mode. So I suppose what you hear is the true sound of the Delano + Roscoe mojo.

Now, Clint has installed some Glock pre with Roscoe/bart and CB Bart pickups so only him can tell us his feelings when compared with my clips.

Regards

Ludo

Shelly · #17 09-12-2008, 02:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CactusmanDoug

My guess is you have the Roscoe Bart pickups. It would be well worth your time and cash to try some Nordstrand DCs or the CB Barts IMO.

If you're not a Bart/Roscoe Bart fan, then anything you do will most likely make you smile.

FYI- If you decide to go Nordstrand, be sure you measure the pup cuts so you wont have to order pickup covers twice like I had to for my LG with the Big Splits.

I will give a full report on the mods I do when I get my new pickup covers delivered. Since my pup cuts are only 1/8" off center, it should be nothing more than shaving a wee bit of material off the spools.

Have a great day,

Doug

I have a set of Nordstrand DC6's that were made for the the Roscoe, so they fit perfectly. I took them out to put the Barts back in. The Barts probably are Roscoe Barts. I don't know for sure because I bought the instrument used.

What I'm finding is that electronics choices don't seem to change basic tone very much. Some choices open the instrument up a lot more, but it still sounds characteristically like a Roscoe.

ubone · #18 09-12-2008, 03:33 PM

Thanks for posting the comparison sound files. I've been curious to hear something like this as i've been anxious to open up the range of tone on my SKB3006 fretless. I like the Glocks but I'm still waiting to hear the difference with the Bart Classics for six string. My wood combos are an ash body/Bubinga top. Maple neck/Diamondwood board. Very low action since I play fingerstyle just above the bridge.

PlanetEarth · #19 09-15-2008, 10:13 AM

Thx 4 the post. I honestly can't say I prefer one to the other. They both certainly have a different color but, for me, they both sound solid, nothing missing from the sound, just different.

Wishing the before/after clips were a/b'ing the same tone shaping, and were the same clip. Do you recall how you had the "before" clip dialed up?

Regardless, very useful post!!! and of course if the sounds work for you and that's your souls voice in your head, then... well... nothing more need be said.

Thx again for sharing the info.

ThePerfectBass · #20 09-15-2008, 01:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shiveringbass

It must be a typo cause to me, it is exactly the contrary :
Delano/Glock = sparkly
Bart/Bart setup = punchy low-mids.

Ludo

No typo... To my ear, the Bart/Bart setup is distinctly accenting the low and high frequencies. It's more of a "classic" funk/slap tone (if there is such a thing). To me that sounds kind of glassy and smooth.

The Delano/Glock sound punchier and thicker. It seems like it would cut through the mix a bit harder than the Bart/Bart setup.

I'll echo one of the earlier comments though and say that we don't really know what kind of effects/eq/mics/di/post production/etc were applied, but it is a good demonstration. I also think both sound good, just different...

We have ordered some Roscoe's with the Glock preamp from the factory. I can remember off-hand what pickups were spec'd, but I do remember noticing more transparency in the tone shaping of the Glock pre. The controls are pretty linear as well.

In a Bart pre, most of the tone shaping happens in the last 30% of turning the knob. The Glock pre seems to have a more immediate effect on the tone when you start to tweak.

What I mean by transparency is that all Bart electronics have a distinctly Bartolini vibe to them. The Glock pre seems "flatter" with everything set to neutral.

Peace!